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"Clearly the Russians have declared NATO as an adversary, so we have to begin to view Russia no longer as a partner but as more of an adversary than a partner," said Alexander Vershbow, the deputy secretary-general of NATO.
"In central Europe, clearly we have two different visions of what European security should be like," Vershbow, a former U.S. diplomat and onetime Pentagon official, said. "We still would defend the sovereignty and freedom of choice of Russia's neighbors, and Russia clearly is trying to re-impose hegemony and limit their sovereignty under the guise of a defense of the Russian world."
originally posted by: Helious
Russia isn't the enemy. I don't know if you have been keeping score on the state of affairs but the enemy we need to be focused on is our own government.
Don't take that to mean that I glorify Putin or Russia . He is a staunch brutal dictator that I have no respect for as a person or a world leader but let that not get in the way of our own dictatorship problems right here on American soil.
It runs much deeper than Obama, if permeates on both the Republican and Democrat side of the fence. It starts and ends with a blatant and militant federal government and it's paramilitary agencies and continues on to the state level with militarized police forces. The United States government has armed itself against it's own people.
American revolution will happen before an atomic war, I promise you that. We have never been less free than we are now since the founding of our country. It was never perfect, our founding fathers, the Constitution nor the means we took the land but it was better than what most others in the world had. While that still may be true to some extent, the overreach, the humiliation and subjugation of so many Americans is wearing thin on many.
Americans are unique in the world, they are lazy but idyllic. It is easy to push the buttons until you push the one that hits too close to home and fortunately for all of us, the tyrannical government and the corporations that run it are just too greedy to find a happy balance, that, as it has always been, throughout all of history........ Will be their end.
originally posted by: Plugin
IMO the US want's to hurt Russia and Europe economical.
They already downgraded Russia (&companies) and Europe got important trade with Russia (let alone the gass we get from them). Europian banks also can be hurt bad (they have big exposure in Russia) so then they can downgrade Europe some more..
Russia wanted to escape the dollar and trade in their own currency directly with China and so on and the euro is a threat for the US, they of course want to keep their dollar dominance in world 'free' trade.
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: Plugin
IMO the US want's to hurt Russia and Europe economical.
They already downgraded Russia (&companies) and Europe got important trade with Russia (let alone the gass we get from them). Europian banks also can be hurt bad (they have big exposure in Russia) so then they can downgrade Europe some more..
Russia wanted to escape the dollar and trade in their own currency directly with China and so on and the euro is a threat for the US, they of course want to keep their dollar dominance in world 'free' trade.
So NATO then...(most Europe)...has an issue with Russia, because America wants to hurt Europe, so Europe shoots itself in the foot to stick it to Europe and..
..
wait, wut?
originally posted by: Plugin
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: Plugin
IMO the US want's to hurt Russia and Europe economical.
They already downgraded Russia (&companies) and Europe got important trade with Russia (let alone the gass we get from them). Europian banks also can be hurt bad (they have big exposure in Russia) so then they can downgrade Europe some more..
Russia wanted to escape the dollar and trade in their own currency directly with China and so on and the euro is a threat for the US, they of course want to keep their dollar dominance in world 'free' trade.
So NATO then...(most Europe)...has an issue with Russia, because America wants to hurt Europe, so Europe shoots itself in the foot to stick it to Europe and..
..
wait, wut?
Yea, sounds stupid, but Europian leaders just mosly do if not Always what the US want's. They really believe the US does things that is in our interest, like we belong together.
They can play Europe as their pet.
I
It runs much deeper than Obama, if permeates on both the Republican and Democrat side of the fence.
Very complicated because the whole thing is connected to the Syrian war too. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...
Very complicated because the whole thing is connected to the Syrian war too. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: Plugin
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: Plugin
IMO the US want's to hurt Russia and Europe economical.
They already downgraded Russia (&companies) and Europe got important trade with Russia (let alone the gass we get from them). Europian banks also can be hurt bad (they have big exposure in Russia) so then they can downgrade Europe some more..
Russia wanted to escape the dollar and trade in their own currency directly with China and so on and the euro is a threat for the US, they of course want to keep their dollar dominance in world 'free' trade.
So NATO then...(most Europe)...has an issue with Russia, because America wants to hurt Europe, so Europe shoots itself in the foot to stick it to Europe and..
..
wait, wut?
Yea, sounds stupid, but Europian leaders just mosly do if not Always what the US want's. They really believe the US does things that is in our interest, like we belong together.
They can play Europe as their pet.
I
I think you give the states far more power than they wield. Yes, the US is a consumer powerhouse, and therefore playing nice with us for trade is in everyones interest..but not to a ridiculous point. the US has little to gain with another cold war....it would disrupt our slave labor contracts abroad.