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Federal Land Grab Comes to California at Vail Lake

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posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 01:53 PM
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More BLM shenanigans this time in California.

Looks like they "need" land for more endangered species.

A guy that owns a lot of "prime" land including a lake is now under attack from people that apparently want a sanctuary for kangaroo rats.

Always big money involved along with the usual corruption.

What the H-E double LL is going on ?

The article also mentions that the "victim" owes millions in property taxes !!




Americans have become increasingly concerned about the federal government's seizure of privately-held lands and property, especially after the Cliven Bundy incident in Nevada. Now another land owner, Bill Johnson of Temecula, California, claims his property at Vail Lake, the largest privately-owned lake in California, is being threatened by the county, state, and federal governments.

Johnson purchased 11,000 acres of land in Riverside County over 17 years ago, including Vail Lake, encompassing over 1,000 square surface acres of water. Now Johnson claims various levels of government are trying to seize the property, using intimidation under the guise of environmental concerns.

Johnson told Breitbart News: "The habitat is free of any endangered species. The government just wants it because it’s part of their 'core area' due to the properties of water and enormous size."



Federal Land Grab Comes to California at Vail Lake




posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 01:59 PM
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This is the beginning of the UN Agenda 21 land grab for the United States.

Their goal is to get us all herded into big cities so we can more easily be controlled and watched.

It's disgusting and frankly I don't even know of anything in the Constitution that gives the FEDs the authority to create a BLM, EPA, CIA...insert alphabet agency here. This is complete bull cookies.

We MUST stand up to this NOW or we are doomed.


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posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 02:25 PM
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Im with ya metalicus....100%
There has got to be a line in the sand ..........!!



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 02:37 PM
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This is scary because of its location. It almost doesnt have anything to do with the lake i bet, other than the fact that lakeside homes will sell for MUCHO more dollars than any other gated community in Temecula.

Temecula is in a boom right now, maybe the past few years even, they are seeing a tremendous growth in winery's and even some indian casinos.

The real issue i see here, is that the government has foresight to see, in the next 20 years, this land WILL be developed, this will be another extention of Orange/LA county suburbs.

20 years ago Anaheim was the edge of civilization for SoCal residents, Desi And Lucy built their studio in Norco, which back then was just barren desert. Today a high school sits across from their secluded ranch, still surrounded by Palm trees, but now encroaching on the borders are brand new neighborhoods.

Southern California is growing so fast, that in 50 years I'd bet its ALL neighborhoods from Ventura to San Diego.

The government is probably stepping in, going to "protect" this land until developers are salivating buckets about these parcels, then sell to the highest bidder...

This whole scenario just smells sour.



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 02:41 PM
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The article also mentions that the "victim" owes millions in property taxes !! - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...


WTH? I thought we had law and order, fiscal conservatives on this forum. Everybody chooses to completely ignore this tax evasion. If any property owner in this nation doesn't pay their taxes, they can get a lien on their assets not to mention thrown in jail if you are poor enough. This weak sauce really distracts from the real constitutional problem of eminent domain seizures. Pure, weak, sauce.



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 02:58 PM
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It's true he owes upwards of 4.75 million dollars in unpaid taxes and interest, however what ever happened to the mantra, "No taxation without representation?"




The MSHCP further claims the land should be under government control, since Johnson owes $4.75 million in property taxes, penalties and interest on overdue fees. Johnson has largely refused to compensate the agencies trying to seize his property. He believes that the tax assessments would be fair if he were able to develop or farm his own land--but because the MSHCP will not allow this, his property value is substantially less.
Johnson said, "How can you pay taxes on property you can do nothing with? The government will sneer at you and say, 'It's our property. You need to pay taxes, but the property is ours in the end.' During the 17 years that I've owned Vail Lake, I have not built one single thing on the property. The minute I bought my land, they started taking all my rights away. They stripped the zoning, general plan, and specific plan for the property and open space designation, depriving it of its value."


There really isnt a leg to stand on considering he hasn't paid, but what recourse does the average american have, if not to protest unfair taxes?

I'd like to view that as the bigger issue, changing my tone obviously, but how exactly do we stand up for ourselves if the government imposes unjust laws and rules on property we've supposedly bought?

Property is borderline an inalienable right, but if the government wont allow us to even build on property we've purchased, how do we disagree? Not paying taxes isnt the brightest way to challenge TBTB, but what do we do?

Perhaps you can offer some insight as to what your actions would be if the government came onto your property and told you, you weren't allowed to farm or develop it, when that was the reason you brought the property in the first place?
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posted on May, 1 2014 @ 04:24 PM
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originally posted by: OuttaOC
It's true he owes upwards of 4.75 million dollars in unpaid taxes and interest, however what ever happened to the mantra, "No taxation without representation?"


Are you suggesting this individual doesn't have a local representative in his state legislature? That he doesn't have local representative in congress? Or that he doesn't have someone on the city council? Perhaps even someone in the area who's on the county board of directors?

This man is well represented. He's a tax cheat and now he's calling on all of you to come support him against 'big brother.'



posted on May, 1 2014 @ 11:16 PM
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Yes thats exactly what I'm saying. It is quite possible he does not have someone who accurately represents him and his interests. Which leads to a bigger point, that it's not just HIM who isn't represented, but a growing public concern as evidenced by congress' approval rating. Only 13% approval rating... Jan 2014 Gallup.

I think a growing majority of the public feels that representatives interests lie with corporations, cronies and crooks. I do.



The minute I bought my land, they started taking all my rights away. They stripped the zoning, general plan, and specific plan for the property and open space designation, depriving it of its value.
suppose he wrote a letter to his congressman, asking for some explanation as to why his property, which when purchased was zoned differently, and apparently had plans for development(or? But obv. He wasn't allowed to do it w/e it was) and he got no answer, or no support? What if its a direct result of fraud, or jealousy, perhaps an opposing bidder has connections, and still has value in that property?
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posted on May, 1 2014 @ 11:23 PM
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Currently, the BLM has control over about two-thirds of Riverside County, according to Johnson. "The county claims they need the land to protect lots of rare species," Johnson said. "But there have been studies done that that just isn't true."

The MSHCP further claims the land should be under government control, since Johnson owes $4.75 million in property taxes, penalties and interest on overdue fees.


Well, I didn't know the BLM has TWO THIRDS of Riverside County. I dare not even ask what % of San Bernadino county.

So where is 'ol Governor Brown on that one? He seems quite loud and downright forceful on plenty of other things. Why not demand California for Californians? (I was born and raised there...I still kinda feel partial to the Southern half of the place)
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posted on May, 1 2014 @ 11:35 PM
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I don't even know of anything in the Constitution that gives the FEDs the authority to create a BLM, EPA, CIA


The executive branch. I'm pretty sure it says in the constitution that they can appoint people to help them carry out their duties.



posted on May, 2 2014 @ 05:00 PM
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Most of his representatives are GOP.

According to this local article he hasn't bothered paying his taxes since 2004. He also owes at least three creditors millions of dollars. There's an individual investor that's put forward tens of millions of dollars who hasn't seen any return.

His investors have tried to get their money back since December 2012.

The more I read about this the more I think less of 'federal land grab' and more of a single guy cheating on his investors and his taxes.

Just one more article because it was sitting there; Inland Empire Developer Back in the Spotlight, September 2001.

So this Johnson guy goes into bankruptcy in 1995, proceeds to borrow millions of dollars to purchase a few thousand acres in 1998. He then makes some questionable actions on the property in 2001. He stops paying taxes and debts in 2004 then is forced into bankruptcy in 2013. Now...after all this BLM/Cliven Bundy nonsense he thinks he can just get on the bandwagon and save his property without paying anyone anything.



posted on May, 2 2014 @ 05:09 PM
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awwww, look at them.
Kangaroo Rats



That area has history.
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posted on May, 3 2014 @ 12:34 AM
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He also owes at least three creditors millions of dollars.





The earlier action was filed by Richard Croul of Corona del Mar, Thomas Tahara of Solana Beach and Wayne Gregory of Waukegan, Ill., who are collectively owed less than $450,000.
Your source.

If you're ignoring facts, I'm not interested in continuing this discussion.

I'm also not interested in defending this guy, was merely asking some questions which have still yet to be addressed...
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posted on May, 3 2014 @ 02:45 PM
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Cambridge Financial, by far the largest creditor, questioned the motive of the December filing. At the time, Cambridge was attempting to collect debt through foreclosure. Cambridge says it is owed nearly $33 million.


Sorry, of the three investors, one of them is owed millions of dollars.



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