Family in New Mexico Has Violent Encounter With UFO Occupants 2014

a reply to: Mr Mask

There is someone going to check it out for evidence
"Violater1" but he could not get there until after the weekend
was over due to assignment.
I am thankful that he is actually (or even anyone) is going there
in person to search for answers. He would have the best chance
due to relationship with the people.

Yes it is a crazy story, however it is possible...maybe the recovery
personnel were there quickly because they already knew there was
something going on. The witnesses heard it coming before "the ship
& aliens" arrived. Maybe the "officials" wanted everything to be swept
under the rug...it didn't happen kind of thing & it all disappears.

I am open minded until we have more evidence & proof.

Cheers
Ektar

originally posted by: Ektar
a reply to: Mr Mask

There is someone going to check it out for evidence
"Violater1" but he could not get there until after the weekend
was over due to assignment.
I am thankful that he is actually (or even anyone) is going there
in person to search for answers. He would have the best chance
due to relationship with the people.

Yes it is a crazy story, however it is possible...maybe the recovery
personnel were there quickly because they already knew there was
something going on. The witnesses heard it coming before "the ship
& aliens" arrived. Maybe the "officials" wanted everything to be swept
under the rug...it didn't happen kind of thing & it all disappears.

I am open minded until we have more evidence & proof.

Cheers
Ektar

I find it odd that JC Jonson and his team already left the scene without talking to the uncle, gaining more evince or gathering film of either. Its kinda weird...but then again 4corners is a know hoax outlet, so you can't expect real journalism from them.

Besides, this entire story is falling part...not that it ever was "together" in the first place.

MM

a reply to: Mr Mask

How do we know JC didn't speak to the uncle? The natives
have alot of honor between them.

Also I could be wrong but the interview was several weeks
after the incident...therefore possibly no evidence to be photographed
nor taped & especially if there was a clean up crew involved to
get rid of it all...& no way would there still be gun shells lying around which is
another positive that the witnesses weren't bragging about & showing shells.
That would definitely through a red flag for me.

I though they acted like PTSD people would normally react. So I will
remain open until we get more information.

Cheers
Ektar

a reply to: Ektar

So you're an expert on PTSD body language?

More talk and no proof.... Gimme a break

a reply to: raymundoko

No I am no expert...but I do have friends that are...
I will not further discuss this since it is NOT me who is...
are you?
I don't see a need for anyone to try & rip me apart...
as I already said I am open...that means both sides does it not?

Cheers
Ektar

a reply to: Ektar

As a former active duty military physician, off active duty only recently, I have a lot of experience with PTSD. I'm curious, what body language is specific to PTSD?

a reply to: NavyDoc

I already stated I am no expert...a good friend is an expert & I
don't need to defend meself.

I am being open minded until further evidence. I don't know why
people fell a need to attack me as I have already been honest
& stated my views.

AGAIN my view ...I don't have a feeling either way...I am OPEN
as there are too many unanswered questions...I am waiting
to see what an ATS member finds out when he arrives tomorrow.

We should ALL be thankful that a member of "OUR TEAM ATS"
is going there on his off days from work, not being paid, but to
help resolve this mystery. Sorry but I think we should be thankful & if
it is NOT good enough then others should have accepted his invite
or they should have gone there on their own.

I don't see why there is such a big deal until further evidence is
disclosed for either side of the coin.

Cheers
Ektar

a reply to: Ektar

I called 3 rez radio stations, one in Gallup. Called the Gallup Independant.


gallupindependent.com...

Called a friend of mine that works for the BIA out of Gallup.

All my sources came up with nothing.

I also went to Durango and Farmington and no one there had heard of any high strangness on the Rez.

Had a great time on the San Juan....

duranglers.com...

btw...sorry about the op getting banned.

a reply to: olaru12

I was sorry Op got banned as well. I thank you for stepping
up as it is difficult at times due to timing, location, & to just
get anyone to a location.
I have nothing to gain from this...just interested as most
people here & being open until further evidence.

I am waiting for Violater1 since he said he & team would
be able to go there tomorrow. This is the only ATS person I know
of to actually volunteer there time at their own expense to try
& find answers.
To me that is a positive effort & I am interested in hearing what
he reports to us. Then I will decide for meself if real or not or if more
questions are needed to finalize what I need to know.

Just because something is true for 1 person doesn't mean it is true for another
no matter how hard some people try to drill it into your head...you could be fighting
the same battle with them trying to make them believe your beliefs...

I'm not in that program as there is nothing to gain for either party. I am open
minded for meself & will will find closure for meself.

I hope that makes sense...I am not here to debate or argue...only threw out
a few ideas. Peace.

Cheers
Ektar

a reply to: Ektar

So...the interview was several weeks after, but one damp (recent) footprint from the aliens was found.

JC Jonson is a conman and a liar.

That is enough.

This story is a hoax.

MM

originally posted by: Ektar
a reply to: NavyDoc

I already stated I am no expert...a good friend is an expert & I
don't need to defend meself.

I am being open minded until further evidence. I don't know why
people fell a need to attack me as I have already been honest
& stated my views.

AGAIN my view ...I don't have a feeling either way...I am OPEN
as there are too many unanswered questions...I am waiting
to see what an ATS member finds out when he arrives tomorrow.

We should ALL be thankful that a member of "OUR TEAM ATS"
is going there on his off days from work, not being paid, but to
help resolve this mystery. Sorry but I think we should be thankful & if
it is NOT good enough then others should have accepted his invite
or they should have gone there on their own.

I don't see why there is such a big deal until further evidence is
disclosed for either side of the coin.

Cheers
Ektar

I wasn't attacking you, I was just curious as to what constituted "PTSD body language" in his view.

originally posted by: Ektar
a reply to: olaru12

I was sorry Op got banned as well. I thank you for stepping
up as it is difficult at times due to timing, location, & to just
get anyone to a location.
I have nothing to gain from this...just interested as most
people here & being open until further evidence.

I am waiting for Violater1 since he said he & team would
be able to go there tomorrow. This is the only ATS person I know
of to actually volunteer there time at their own expense to try
& find answers.
To me that is a positive effort & I am interested in hearing what
he reports to us. Then I will decide for meself if real or not or if more
questions are needed to finalize what I need to know.

Just because something is true for 1 person doesn't mean it is true for another
no matter how hard some people try to drill it into your head...you could be fighting
the same battle with them trying to make them believe your beliefs...

I'm not in that program as there is nothing to gain for either party. I am open
minded for meself & will will find closure for meself.

I hope that makes sense...I am not here to debate or argue...only threw out
a few ideas. Peace.

Cheers
Ektar

Just a comment about violator1. Does anyone find it slightly concerning that a guy who is tad bit loose with the truth (RE government secret mission) is inviting people to meet him in the middle of nowhere desert? I'd hate to see earnest but naïve ATS members victimized.

originally posted by: freedomSlave
So why would they think shooting at a spaceship will do anything other than piss them off for scuffing their chrome ship ... Idiots

im no military expert but an ak-47 fires a 7.62mm armour piercing round, unless the ship had an active forcefield, which none of the witnesses mentioned the projectiles being deflected from the ship or surrounding area at all, following this the person wielding the gun explains how something from the ship locked onto his rifle and made it un-wieldable which, in essence means the pilots knew that his weapon would damage their ship eventually, if i threw a rock at your head you could shrug it off and it would cause no damage, but a thousand rocks would, and you would know that therefore you would do something to stop the following rocks hitting you and debilitating you stooping you getting home for whatever reason.

To call somebody an idiot because you dont understand something is quite a big step, but it is exactly the right stereotypycal attitude the hierarchy want you to have, people dont understand real evidence and proof of what is happening so they discredit it. perhaps the most missed part is the tracks that were left, maybe people discredit the witness testimonies as a drunk homeless man's and wipe the statement off, otherwise why where no molds or casts made of the tracks afore mentioned? (open for discussion)


seen

originally posted by: seenmoi

originally posted by: freedomSlave
So why would they think shooting at a spaceship will do anything other than piss them off for scuffing their chrome ship ... Idiots

im no military expert but an ak-47 fires a 7.62mm armour piercing round, unless the ship had an active forcefield, which none of the witnesses mentioned the projectiles being deflected from the ship or surrounding area at all, following this the person wielding the gun explains how something from the ship locked onto his rifle and made it un-wieldable which, in essence means the pilots knew that his weapon would damage their ship eventually, if i threw a rock at your head you could shrug it off and it would cause no damage, but a thousand rocks would, and you would know that therefore you would do something to stop the following rocks hitting you and debilitating you stooping you getting home for whatever reason.

To call somebody an idiot because you dont understand something is quite a big step,

seen

"Big step", as in everything you just posted?

a reply to: seenmoi

Not an armor piercing round. A lock core ak round might punch through basic armor. But still not considered an armor piercing round. Rifles get very hot after a few rounds going through. I remember firing my friends bolt action mosin. After a few minutes the wood got so hot that the oils used to seal the wood for long term storage (so it doesn't rot) literally boiling out of the wood.

Start shooting something that fires semi-auto in a stand off situation and I give that gun about a quarter minute before it gets uncomfortably hot. Basically dump a whole magazine or two and the gun will be very hot. So I don't think the UFO used a ray gun on the rifle.

If the ufo is built from basic sheet metal like our aircraft then just about any bullet will go into or through it. But somehow I don't think aliens are making their ships with 8th inch gauge aluminum. SO ak might not do anything to the ufo. Besides its an ak. Unless the ufo is 100 feet or closer ( I kid, 200 yards or closer) they guy probably missed the whole craft.

Navy Doc. Do you know anything about tracking. Wanted to get your input on the alien foot print photos the link showed. Doesn't really look like a foot print or track to me.

a reply to: NavyDoc

It's ALL good...I know we as ATS are trying to find the
truth regardless hoax or not...just closure.

I can understand why hooking up with anyone really
could be a problem. That's why people that were hooking up
with "homer NC on Brown Mountain Lights" were going to
not just keep us posted but we would know they are safe.

It will be interesting to see if anything unfolds in the next
day or 2.

Cheers
Ektar

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: seenmoi

Not an armor piercing round. A lock core ak round might punch through basic armor. But still not considered an armor piercing round. Rifles get very hot after a few rounds going through. I remember firing my friends bolt action mosin. After a few minutes the wood got so hot that the oils used to seal the wood for long term storage (so it doesn't rot) literally boiling out of the wood.

Start shooting something that fires semi-auto in a stand off situation and I give that gun about a quarter minute before it gets uncomfortably hot. Basically dump a whole magazine or two and the gun will be very hot. So I don't think the UFO used a ray gun on the rifle.

If the ufo is built from basic sheet metal like our aircraft then just about any bullet will go into or through it. But somehow I don't think aliens are making their ships with 8th inch gauge aluminum. SO ak might not do anything to the ufo. Besides its an ak. Unless the ufo is 100 feet or closer ( I kid, 200 yards or closer) they guy probably missed the whole craft.

Navy Doc. Do you know anything about tracking. Wanted to get your input on the alien foot print photos the link showed. Doesn't really look like a foot print or track to me.

an ak-47 does shoot ap rounds and will shoot upto a mile away so i doubt he was missing and the "universal soldier" missing too? doesnt seem plausible, plus there are 8-10 year old boys in afghanistan shooting them for ages and stripping them down and rebuilding them, i didnt say a ray gun thats proposterous a government made thought for propaganda and lies too spread, i mean you might aswell call it a phaser lmao :-) :-)


seen

a reply to: seenmoi

Not armor piercing as in metal armor plating. That requires explosive tips which have been illegal in the USA for decades.

Since 1986, according to Title 18, U.S. Code Section 922, no one may manufacture or import armor-piercing ammunition for civilian use, nor may manufacturers or importers sell or deliver such ammunition to civilians without the permission of the attorney general.

Dude have you ever shot a ak type rifle ir 7.62 x39.? the bulket will travel a kilometer. not well, not enough to really do much. aks, great gun fir peppering at things 200 yards ir closer. unreliably inaccurate beyond that.

i was joking that the ak probably wouldnt hit the ufo even uf it was floating 100 feet iver their heads.

doubt the ak type gun they were firing had any ap rounds ever fired through it.

reply to: seenmoi