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originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: Leonidas
Best case scenario is that they get called a shill.
I'm with you, it doesn't make sense to have shills here, because once ones mind is made up, there's not much of a chance in changing it.
I'd love to get paid being devils advocate here.
Seems too many are happy to question everything*
*As long as it's not their own beliefs.
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
www.zerohedge.com...
originally posted by: Leonidas
The biggest problems I see from the membership on ATS come from the newly minted accounts. (That is an unfair generalization, I know. But it is the quickest way to make a point sometimes. LAzy, I know)
The people that have only been here for a couple of months or years usually seem to be the ones that disappoint me the most, are the most aggressive about their opinions and more likely to use jargon like "sheeple" or "false flag" way too often.
Paid shills doesn't make any sense because you couldnt pay anyone enough to make an impact as one person, or a group. And why would you? This is a large message-board, not the EU Parliament.
So wait, you are saying there are no paid shills? Even though they have admitted to doing just that... Imagine 20 people posting all day, they can and do make an impact... Hasn't the play book for these shills been discovered?
EDIT: Ahhh yes here we go... Link up top... You were saying?
What is the maximum that these shills could hope to accomplish? Maximum. With everything going their way. What goal could they accomplish in your opinion?
It would be pure speculation as to why they do it and what their goals are... Obviously it is to disrupt certain topics but why? I have no idea. But the fact remians they DO do it, they must get something out of it.
originally posted by: Leonidas
The biggest problems I see from the membership on ATS come from the newly minted accounts. (That is an unfair generalization, I know. But it is the quickest way to make a point sometimes. LAzy, I know)
The people that have only been here for a couple of months or years usually seem to be the ones that disappoint me the most, are the most aggressive about their opinions and more likely to use jargon like "sheeple" or "false flag" way too often.
Paid shills doesn't make any sense because you couldnt pay anyone enough to make an impact as one person, or a group. And why would you? This is a large message-board, not the EU Parliament.
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
www.zerohedge.com...
originally posted by: Leonidas
The biggest problems I see from the membership on ATS come from the newly minted accounts. (That is an unfair generalization, I know. But it is the quickest way to make a point sometimes. LAzy, I know)
The people that have only been here for a couple of months or years usually seem to be the ones that disappoint me the most, are the most aggressive about their opinions and more likely to use jargon like "sheeple" or "false flag" way too often.
Paid shills doesn't make any sense because you couldnt pay anyone enough to make an impact as one person, or a group. And why would you? This is a large message-board, not the EU Parliament.
So wait, you are saying there are no paid shills? Even though they have admitted to doing just that... Imagine 20 people posting all day, they can and do make an impact... Hasn't the play book for these shills been discovered?
EDIT: Ahhh yes here we go... Link up top... You were saying?
What is the maximum that these shills could hope to accomplish? Maximum. With everything going their way. What goal could they accomplish in your opinion?
It would be pure speculation as to why they do it and what their goals are... Obviously it is to disrupt certain topics but why? I have no idea. But the fact remians they DO do it, they must get something out of it.
Can you name a single topic where "paid Shills" have targeted a thread and changed the opinions of anyone?
Pick any topic you like. Gun control, Global Warming, 9/11, Vaccination, Ukraine. Or any other topic you like.
Have you seen any evidence that any thread has been targeted? Let alone having an impact. In case you haven't noticed, people at ATS these days have tendency to enter threads with their minds made up and never waiver.
I am serious. If some people are so certain it is happening, there must be some evidence of it.
originally posted by: Vovin
originally posted by: rigel4
a reply to: leopardpimps
I have noticed my fair share of Russian shills
Since January.
They all support each other and use the same type of argument over
And over.
We will never educate these ones as they are the real
Deal cyber warriors.
Just sayin
See the thing is that you call us Russian shills, but what is considered "pro-Russian" by western agitators is typically less to do with supporting Russia and more to do with exposing the hypocrisy of Western governments. So by labelling everybody who doesn't agree with you as "Russian" or "pro-Russian", you're really just spreading misinformation.
And really, how long can can people continue to blame Russia for what's going on in Ukraine? After every single time the west mounts a massive invasion of one kind or another of a sovereign country on the other side of the world under pretexts that always fall flat afterwards, why are the same lies from the same liars pushed so fervently as truth yet again? Do people believe in the lies, or do they want to believe that their inherently aggressive governments are finally doing the right thing?
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
www.zerohedge.com...
originally posted by: Leonidas
The biggest problems I see from the membership on ATS come from the newly minted accounts. (That is an unfair generalization, I know. But it is the quickest way to make a point sometimes. LAzy, I know)
The people that have only been here for a couple of months or years usually seem to be the ones that disappoint me the most, are the most aggressive about their opinions and more likely to use jargon like "sheeple" or "false flag" way too often.
Paid shills doesn't make any sense because you couldnt pay anyone enough to make an impact as one person, or a group. And why would you? This is a large message-board, not the EU Parliament.
So wait, you are saying there are no paid shills? Even though they have admitted to doing just that... Imagine 20 people posting all day, they can and do make an impact... Hasn't the play book for these shills been discovered?
EDIT: Ahhh yes here we go... Link up top... You were saying?
What is the maximum that these shills could hope to accomplish? Maximum. With everything going their way. What goal could they accomplish in your opinion?
It would be pure speculation as to why they do it and what their goals are... Obviously it is to disrupt certain topics but why? I have no idea. But the fact remians they DO do it, they must get something out of it.
Can you name a single topic where "paid Shills" have targeted a thread and changed the opinions of anyone?
Pick any topic you like. Gun control, Global Warming, 9/11, Vaccination, Ukraine. Or any other topic you like.
Have you seen any evidence that any thread has been targeted? Let alone having an impact. In case you haven't noticed, people at ATS these days have tendency to enter threads with their minds made up and never waiver.
I am serious. If some people are so certain it is happening, there must be some evidence of it.
Typical strawman argument, you are asking me to prove something which can not be proved! How would I know ones mindset before and aftet a thread? Lmao... You said it doesn't happen, I provided proof it does indeed happen and then you ask for more proof, something which I can't prove... Carry on thinking whatever you like, paid shills have been known about for a longtime. But of course there is plausible deniability when you can rely on strawmen... eh...
Let me ask you... What didn't you like about my previous link to proof that it happens?
And really, how long can can people continue to blame Russia for what's going on in Ukraine?
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
www.zerohedge.com...
originally posted by: Leonidas
The biggest problems I see from the membership on ATS come from the newly minted accounts. (That is an unfair generalization, I know. But it is the quickest way to make a point sometimes. LAzy, I know)
The people that have only been here for a couple of months or years usually seem to be the ones that disappoint me the most, are the most aggressive about their opinions and more likely to use jargon like "sheeple" or "false flag" way too often.
Paid shills doesn't make any sense because you couldnt pay anyone enough to make an impact as one person, or a group. And why would you? This is a large message-board, not the EU Parliament.
So wait, you are saying there are no paid shills? Even though they have admitted to doing just that... Imagine 20 people posting all day, they can and do make an impact... Hasn't the play book for these shills been discovered?
EDIT: Ahhh yes here we go... Link up top... You were saying?
What is the maximum that these shills could hope to accomplish? Maximum. With everything going their way. What goal could they accomplish in your opinion?
It would be pure speculation as to why they do it and what their goals are... Obviously it is to disrupt certain topics but why? I have no idea. But the fact remians they DO do it, they must get something out of it.
Can you name a single topic where "paid Shills" have targeted a thread and changed the opinions of anyone?
Pick any topic you like. Gun control, Global Warming, 9/11, Vaccination, Ukraine. Or any other topic you like.
Have you seen any evidence that any thread has been targeted? Let alone having an impact. In case you haven't noticed, people at ATS these days have tendency to enter threads with their minds made up and never waiver.
I am serious. If some people are so certain it is happening, there must be some evidence of it.
Typical strawman argument, you are asking me to prove something which can not be proved! How would I know ones mindset before and aftet a thread? Lmao... You said it doesn't happen, I provided proof it does indeed happen and then you ask for more proof, something which I can't prove... Carry on thinking whatever you like, paid shills have been known about for a longtime. But of course there is plausible deniability when you can rely on strawmen... eh...
Let me ask you... What didn't you like about my previous link to proof that it happens?
No I am not.
Your position is that there is proof there are paid shills on the site.
I am asking for an example.
originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: Meee32
I don't think they troll ANY conspiracy sites.
You're proving my point, refusal to question your own beliefs.
originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: Meee32
Then why haven't you questioned the source of that PowerPoint presentation?
Any hack could write that up, and it looks like it too, with a number of them still have the red squiggly line under misspelt words or incorrect syntax.
Real pros!
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
www.zerohedge.com...
originally posted by: Leonidas
The biggest problems I see from the membership on ATS come from the newly minted accounts. (That is an unfair generalization, I know. But it is the quickest way to make a point sometimes. LAzy, I know)
The people that have only been here for a couple of months or years usually seem to be the ones that disappoint me the most, are the most aggressive about their opinions and more likely to use jargon like "sheeple" or "false flag" way too often.
Paid shills doesn't make any sense because you couldnt pay anyone enough to make an impact as one person, or a group. And why would you? This is a large message-board, not the EU Parliament.
So wait, you are saying there are no paid shills? Even though they have admitted to doing just that... Imagine 20 people posting all day, they can and do make an impact... Hasn't the play book for these shills been discovered?
EDIT: Ahhh yes here we go... Link up top... You were saying?
What is the maximum that these shills could hope to accomplish? Maximum. With everything going their way. What goal could they accomplish in your opinion?
It would be pure speculation as to why they do it and what their goals are... Obviously it is to disrupt certain topics but why? I have no idea. But the fact remians they DO do it, they must get something out of it.
Can you name a single topic where "paid Shills" have targeted a thread and changed the opinions of anyone?
Pick any topic you like. Gun control, Global Warming, 9/11, Vaccination, Ukraine. Or any other topic you like.
Have you seen any evidence that any thread has been targeted? Let alone having an impact. In case you haven't noticed, people at ATS these days have tendency to enter threads with their minds made up and never waiver.
I am serious. If some people are so certain it is happening, there must be some evidence of it.
Typical strawman argument, you are asking me to prove something which can not be proved! How would I know ones mindset before and aftet a thread? Lmao... You said it doesn't happen, I provided proof it does indeed happen and then you ask for more proof, something which I can't prove... Carry on thinking whatever you like, paid shills have been known about for a longtime. But of course there is plausible deniability when you can rely on strawmen... eh...
Let me ask you... What didn't you like about my previous link to proof that it happens?
No I am not.
Your position is that there is proof there are paid shills on the site.
I am asking for an example.
Nope please show me where I stated there is proof it happens here? I'm saying there is proof it happens! You stated it doesn't happen at all... I will also say ATS is the largest and most well known conspiracy site, they would not ignore it! No chance...
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
www.zerohedge.com...
originally posted by: Leonidas
The biggest problems I see from the membership on ATS come from the newly minted accounts. (That is an unfair generalization, I know. But it is the quickest way to make a point sometimes. LAzy, I know)
The people that have only been here for a couple of months or years usually seem to be the ones that disappoint me the most, are the most aggressive about their opinions and more likely to use jargon like "sheeple" or "false flag" way too often.
Paid shills doesn't make any sense because you couldnt pay anyone enough to make an impact as one person, or a group. And why would you? This is a large message-board, not the EU Parliament.
So wait, you are saying there are no paid shills? Even though they have admitted to doing just that... Imagine 20 people posting all day, they can and do make an impact... Hasn't the play book for these shills been discovered?
EDIT: Ahhh yes here we go... Link up top... You were saying?
What is the maximum that these shills could hope to accomplish? Maximum. With everything going their way. What goal could they accomplish in your opinion?
It would be pure speculation as to why they do it and what their goals are... Obviously it is to disrupt certain topics but why? I have no idea. But the fact remians they DO do it, they must get something out of it.
Can you name a single topic where "paid Shills" have targeted a thread and changed the opinions of anyone?
Pick any topic you like. Gun control, Global Warming, 9/11, Vaccination, Ukraine. Or any other topic you like.
Have you seen any evidence that any thread has been targeted? Let alone having an impact. In case you haven't noticed, people at ATS these days have tendency to enter threads with their minds made up and never waiver.
I am serious. If some people are so certain it is happening, there must be some evidence of it.
Typical strawman argument, you are asking me to prove something which can not be proved! How would I know ones mindset before and aftet a thread? Lmao... You said it doesn't happen, I provided proof it does indeed happen and then you ask for more proof, something which I can't prove... Carry on thinking whatever you like, paid shills have been known about for a longtime. But of course there is plausible deniability when you can rely on strawmen... eh...
Let me ask you... What didn't you like about my previous link to proof that it happens?
No I am not.
Your position is that there is proof there are paid shills on the site.
I am asking for an example.
Nope please show me where I stated there is proof it happens here? I'm saying there is proof it happens! You stated it doesn't happen at all... I will also say ATS is the largest and most well known conspiracy site, they would not ignore it! No chance...
Please correct me if I am wrong on this:
1. You believe there is evidence of "paid shills" who's job it is to infiltrate internet forums.
2. You presume that those Shills would most certainly select Conspiracy related sites to target.
3. Because ATS is a large Conspiracy related site, it would be logical to assume they have signed up to sway opinion in their favour.
Have I fairly stated your hypothesis?
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
www.zerohedge.com...
originally posted by: Leonidas
The biggest problems I see from the membership on ATS come from the newly minted accounts. (That is an unfair generalization, I know. But it is the quickest way to make a point sometimes. LAzy, I know)
The people that have only been here for a couple of months or years usually seem to be the ones that disappoint me the most, are the most aggressive about their opinions and more likely to use jargon like "sheeple" or "false flag" way too often.
Paid shills doesn't make any sense because you couldnt pay anyone enough to make an impact as one person, or a group. And why would you? This is a large message-board, not the EU Parliament.
So wait, you are saying there are no paid shills? Even though they have admitted to doing just that... Imagine 20 people posting all day, they can and do make an impact... Hasn't the play book for these shills been discovered?
EDIT: Ahhh yes here we go... Link up top... You were saying?
What is the maximum that these shills could hope to accomplish? Maximum. With everything going their way. What goal could they accomplish in your opinion?
It would be pure speculation as to why they do it and what their goals are... Obviously it is to disrupt certain topics but why? I have no idea. But the fact remians they DO do it, they must get something out of it.
Can you name a single topic where "paid Shills" have targeted a thread and changed the opinions of anyone?
Pick any topic you like. Gun control, Global Warming, 9/11, Vaccination, Ukraine. Or any other topic you like.
Have you seen any evidence that any thread has been targeted? Let alone having an impact. In case you haven't noticed, people at ATS these days have tendency to enter threads with their minds made up and never waiver.
I am serious. If some people are so certain it is happening, there must be some evidence of it.
Typical strawman argument, you are asking me to prove something which can not be proved! How would I know ones mindset before and aftet a thread? Lmao... You said it doesn't happen, I provided proof it does indeed happen and then you ask for more proof, something which I can't prove... Carry on thinking whatever you like, paid shills have been known about for a longtime. But of course there is plausible deniability when you can rely on strawmen... eh...
Let me ask you... What didn't you like about my previous link to proof that it happens?
No I am not.
Your position is that there is proof there are paid shills on the site.
I am asking for an example.
Nope please show me where I stated there is proof it happens here? I'm saying there is proof it happens! You stated it doesn't happen at all... I will also say ATS is the largest and most well known conspiracy site, they would not ignore it! No chance...
Please correct me if I am wrong on this:
1. You believe there is evidence of "paid shills" who's job it is to infiltrate internet forums.
2. You presume that those Shills would most certainly select Conspiracy related sites to target.
3. Because ATS is a large Conspiracy related site, it would be logical to assume they have signed up to sway opinion in their favour.
Have I fairly stated your hypothesis?
Yep that's about it in a nutshell but of course there are other things to add weight such as how the government influences media such as news stations, did you know they write a lot of the news lol... If you would like I can get proof of that too?
So why is it so rediculous to think they want to use this media too?
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: Leonidas
originally posted by: Meee32
www.zerohedge.com...
originally posted by: Leonidas
The biggest problems I see from the membership on ATS come from the newly minted accounts. (That is an unfair generalization, I know. But it is the quickest way to make a point sometimes. LAzy, I know)
The people that have only been here for a couple of months or years usually seem to be the ones that disappoint me the most, are the most aggressive about their opinions and more likely to use jargon like "sheeple" or "false flag" way too often.
Paid shills doesn't make any sense because you couldnt pay anyone enough to make an impact as one person, or a group. And why would you? This is a large message-board, not the EU Parliament.
So wait, you are saying there are no paid shills? Even though they have admitted to doing just that... Imagine 20 people posting all day, they can and do make an impact... Hasn't the play book for these shills been discovered?
EDIT: Ahhh yes here we go... Link up top... You were saying?
What is the maximum that these shills could hope to accomplish? Maximum. With everything going their way. What goal could they accomplish in your opinion?
It would be pure speculation as to why they do it and what their goals are... Obviously it is to disrupt certain topics but why? I have no idea. But the fact remians they DO do it, they must get something out of it.
Can you name a single topic where "paid Shills" have targeted a thread and changed the opinions of anyone?
Pick any topic you like. Gun control, Global Warming, 9/11, Vaccination, Ukraine. Or any other topic you like.
Have you seen any evidence that any thread has been targeted? Let alone having an impact. In case you haven't noticed, people at ATS these days have tendency to enter threads with their minds made up and never waiver.
I am serious. If some people are so certain it is happening, there must be some evidence of it.
Typical strawman argument, you are asking me to prove something which can not be proved! How would I know ones mindset before and aftet a thread? Lmao... You said it doesn't happen, I provided proof it does indeed happen and then you ask for more proof, something which I can't prove... Carry on thinking whatever you like, paid shills have been known about for a longtime. But of course there is plausible deniability when you can rely on strawmen... eh...
Let me ask you... What didn't you like about my previous link to proof that it happens?
No I am not.
Your position is that there is proof there are paid shills on the site.
I am asking for an example.
Nope please show me where I stated there is proof it happens here? I'm saying there is proof it happens! You stated it doesn't happen at all... I will also say ATS is the largest and most well known conspiracy site, they would not ignore it! No chance...
Please correct me if I am wrong on this:
1. You believe there is evidence of "paid shills" who's job it is to infiltrate internet forums.
2. You presume that those Shills would most certainly select Conspiracy related sites to target.
3. Because ATS is a large Conspiracy related site, it would be logical to assume they have signed up to sway opinion in their favour.
Have I fairly stated your hypothesis?
Yep that's about it in a nutshell but of course there are other things to add weight such as how the government influences media such as news stations, did you know they write a lot of the news lol... If you would like I can get proof of that too?
So why is it so rediculous to think they want to use this media too?
Without any actual proof, what you have is circumstantial evidence supported by Confirmation Bias.
Let me help.
Evidence - not proof - but evidence could take the form of a thread that is expressing a particular point of view on a specific thread. The thread is then subject to a number of posts from a number of people who all joined recently, and are all expressing a contrary view to prevailing opinion. They use the same language and jargon and discount the facts and opinions expressed by the people who's opinion they are trying to sway.
If you could find a thread that followed something similar you would have some evidence.
But we come back to: Why?
The easiest way to discount a point of view expressed on a conspiracy website is to use the statement, "That is a site for Conspiracy Theorists". For the public at large and main stream media, that is all you need to do to kill the credibility of the information. The dreaded term "Conspiracy Theorist" is all you have to say to discredit a person or opinion expressed here in the minds of the general public.