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originally posted by: defcon5
The government doesn't do crap if you call them. A slap on the wrist, a small fine (maybe), and you out of a job for being a “whistle blower”.
Gates also interestingly believes that vaccines are a great way to depopulate through sterilization of third world people unawares
originally posted by: macman
One, we are pushing toward similar goals, but differ on how to get there.
Two, we are both stubborn people that enjoy debating.
My offer still stands, if you ever venture to the US, hit me up. I will buy you lunch.
originally posted by: mugger
I think our Government and Corporations have gotten us in this mess to begin with.
The Government has over taxed and over regulated businesses and has allowed them to seek refuge manufacturing in other countries with NAFTA/CAFTA and with China.
So instead of correcting those mistakes, the Government wants to increase minimum wage for very low skilled jobs?
If our manufacturing base was returned, I think the wages would also increase since those jobs involve more skill.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
He has BOTH, as well as sys-admin, several languages, and overarching knowledge that his managers revere and need.....and is the go-to guy for his company. He gets up at 4am to deal with the people in Taiwan and India.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
You think you're just oh-so-special?
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
You're the only one who's a veteran with a valuable skill set?
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Whatever. Yeah, violence and brute force indeed.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Saying you need to fix the 'reply to [name]' is 'bossy'?
Really? You quoted things that I said, and Ordo is the one you attributed it to. It has nothing to do with anything except accuracy! Totally indifferent to your replies and attitude, but I doubt Ordo would appreciate your inaccuracy.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
"Bossy."
*shakes head* You are a real piece of work, mac.
originally posted by: wills120
a reply to: defcon5
I agree with this as well. I'm a network engineer with over 17 years in the industry. I have a bachelor's degree from a respectable school along with the typical alphabet-soup of certifications from Cisco, Microsoft, CompTIA, ITIL, Novell, VMWare, etc. When I was laid off in 2009 I couldn't find work even close to what I was making before because the market was re-adjusting with cheaper labor. I took a much lower paying job and added another 3 certs to my resume but I'm still sitting about $30-40K less than I was previously in 2009 in a much more competitive and expensive market (San Diego). I can easily find work at what I'm currently making but it's very, very difficult to find jobs that pay more than the current market.
originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Just to be fair Mac, Cisco has tons of different certifications and just because you specialize in software development does not mean you don't need or benefit from any of the Cisco certs available. Cisco certs are good industry standards to go by.
originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Not that I agree with anything else the guy says. And also, I'm one of those people who got a degree in IT and walked right into a huge recession. Entry level jobs in my field have been outsourced, and jobs in general are hard to find.
originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
One cannot live on 10 bucks an hour. But this does not mean that I agree with Progressives on wage increases. The problem is way more complex. We have to start with the fact that whereas an average bookkeeper used to be able to get by and take care of his family is no longer the case. Why? Because the Fed keeps printing money and devaluing the dollar, we have lost our buying power and taxes are outrageous. I never saw a tax a Progressive didn't like.
originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Also, I would be interested to know if you were already in the Telecom industry when you got your certs, and with your supposed networking experience, I'm surprised at your browbeating the guy on this.
originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
It's really just not that easy to get a job when you first enter the field. Or maybe you are just a genius.
originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
I do agree with you that there are a lot of people on this site who believe in government intervention and heavy taxes and the Nanny State. I do not believe in the Nanny State. Also, yes jobs are being outsourced, and yes many businesses have left the country because the unions and bureaucratic regulations and heavy taxation have made it difficult to operate in the US.
originally posted by: Greven
I dislike how you break down posts (sometimes into single sentences!) and feel that you do so maliciously.
originally posted by: Greven
I won't do this and will instead respond to your 'points' sequentially.
originally posted by: Greven
It has little to do with your particular plight. You certainly have enough free time to post on ATS an average of 8+ times a day since you joined. This was, if you'll note, directed at your assertion that people working $9/hr or less deserve it.
originally posted by: Greven
Essentially, you're communicating the idea that people need to work harder to earn more. One gentleman was a single father and worked around two full-time jobs, 16+ hours a day 5 days a week. He slept during the weekend.
originally posted by: Greven
Additionally, I'm really not sure why you keep harping on taxation and welfare assistance in a thread talking about increasing the minimum wage, as these are entirely different subjects.
originally posted by: Greven
Again with the government assistance and taxation fixation - I do not understand what it has to do with this thread. The point was fairly clear, I thought - the paragraph was not divided like you do in response.
originally posted by: Greven
You said you knew and had relatives who were in business. I asked if you had any assistance from people you knew, you know... connections? Family?
originally posted by: Greven
You yourself stated that you had relatives that run large and small businesses. Now you state that it's only people you met later? Quite curious.
originally posted by: Greven Again, this thread is about minimum wages, not government assistance and taxation.
originally posted by: Greven
The bulk of that remark is simply a refutation of your assertion that "It has nothing to do with giving money to anyone," not anything to do with taxes. Again, this thread is about the minimum wage. Perhaps you are lost?
originally posted by: Greven
Back in 'the day' as it were, rich people were thought to be blessed by God. Jesus said that just isn't so; that the meek shall inherit the Earth, etc.
originally posted by: Greven
Again, no. Skill does not drive wages. Full stop. It's a meeting of business needing people, and those people refusing to work for any less.
originally posted by: Greven
Once again, no. You entirely missed the point. If computer programmers all voluntarily accepted lower wages, businesses would cut their wages. Even while there is a shortage of computer programmers.
originally posted by: Greven
I'd love to see that world too, but people have basic needs and are quick to compromise their ideals for those needs. Alas, it's much less likely to happen in the United States than in more civilized countries.
originally posted by: Greven
Do you recall how unions work? It's basically like I just described, on a smaller scale (individual markets rather than vast sectors). Bargaining power is at work here - at its strongest when everyone agrees to work together for the collective good.
originally posted by: Greven
Yet again, no. Skill does not drive wages. Scarcity of skill doesn't even drive wages. Individual bargaining power is strengthened by having a needed skill, especially one that is hard to come by.
originally posted by: Greven
Social connections also help bargaining power.
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Yeah, tell that to Jimmy Hoffa.
originally posted by: Greven
Why do companies even respect minimum wage laws? Because governments have superior bargaining power.
That is a very Alinsky way of saying force of law.
originally posted by: Greven
Why were unions so strong in forcing businesses to do things? Because the collective whole has equal or superior bargaining power.
No, Unions used force, blackmail and bribes.
originally posted by: Greven
Bargaining power is what drives wages.
Tell that to my employer and paycheck.
originally posted by: crazyewok
Haha I think that's true.
I honestly see two successful routes to a happy economy.
You got the Singapore/Hong kong system which are the freeist markets in the world or you have the socialist lite system that Norway/Sweden/Finland have.
Both have the highest standards of living, both have sustainable economy's and both have very low poverty. Both are completely different.
Now I dont think the Scandinavia route will work in the USA its too big. So that leaves the totally free market route of hong kong/ Singapore which you can see works very very well.
originally posted by: crazyewok
Your government cant seem to make its mind up what it wants (neither can mine to be honest) hence you have these bastardized hybrid economy's that are failing and being exploited.
originally posted by: crazyewok
To be fair I think your Federal government should all but dismantle and let the individual states handle what direction it wants to go in, leave the feds to just enforce the Constitutions and manage a defense force.
originally posted by: crazyewok
And yeah I may take you up on the lunch offer if Im over there, I like steak by the way same offer apply s to you here.
originally posted by: ImaFungi
The owner of the company takes money out of his pocket every day to pay the entirety of his company's funds?
Is it not autonomous, in the sense of the company and work dont by its parts create and provide the value, good and/or service, which is sold for money, and that money made is used to then pay for all the costs required for the workers to do the work to create the value and so on?
Say the owner makes in profit solely for himself of a million dollars a year (a conservative estimate), if the owner and all of his family were to die tomorrow, this would mean yearly a million extra dollars to use strictly for the company. Workers besides the owner knowing the ins and outs of the company would surely be able to run the company sufficiently.
Once again I am not arguing for myself and for you. I am arguing for everyone, and all future humans that will be born on the planet. This is not about one individual, this is about all individuals.
I appreciate and respect your optimism, I know am aware things are as good as they get, there is nothing to complain about, people win, people lose, people live, people die, people have, people have not, people suffer, people cause suffering, its best to just worry about oneself and not think about anyone or anything else, as it has always and always will sort itself out.