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originally posted by: captaintyinknots
a reply to: MikhailBakunin
I get it. You think the white man runs the world (and they probably do). What, in the hell, does that have to do with this topic?
originally posted by: mahatche
Some of you don't seem to realize you are defending racism with these type of deflections.
When a white man says something racist, I don't need you to look for a black equivalent or Vice versa.
What are you hoping to achieve? Do you want people to stop being offended by sterling comments? Sterling is undeniably racist against blacks, there is no grey area where context is up for debate.
Do you guys think you are defending whites or something? Why does seeing someone call out a racist make you go defensive?
originally posted by: mahatche
What are you hoping to achieve? Do you want people to stop being offended by sterling comments? Sterling is undeniably racist against blacks, there is no grey area where context is up for debate.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
*Words* don't make a person a racist... actions do.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
originally posted by: mahatche
What are you hoping to achieve? Do you want people to stop being offended by sterling comments? Sterling is undeniably racist against blacks, there is no grey area where context is up for debate.
Really? No room at all for it to be a simple matter of a dude whose pissed that his mistress is publically flaunting her boyfriends at games in a building he holds the lease on, and that one of those boyfriends has AIDS? I'm not saying STerling is or is not a racist, because I honestly don't know. I don't follow the NBA and only know what I've heard on the radio and on ESPN regarding this, but frankly I heard a guy who is flailing because he feels hurt and threatened. This is very similar to the Micheal Richards debacle to me... when people feel threatened and when people feel hurt, they reach for the thermonuclear devices in their verbal arsenal... doesn't mean they're racists, it means they're humans and they're looking for something verbally powerful enough to make their target go "Oh crap! This is getting heavy."
*Words* don't make a person a racist... actions do. Words are usually worthless throw-aways that *should* be easily brushed aside, and used to be... back when people actually followed "Sticks and stones may break my bones." Unfortunately, in this substance-less digital world where reality is too frequently considered to constitute pixels on a screen, men of words are held in higher esteem than men of actions. Hell, that's even obvious in our elections... saying the right thing far outweighs a track record of actually doing the right thing.
originally posted by: ImaFungi
For example if you invite me over to dinner, and I am a perfect person in every manner, appearance, well mannered, I smile, im polite, and we have a nice time; but, every single second in my mind I am thinking and yelling deranged thoughts, lude and crude, about your family, and imagining violent ways of destroying and harming your family etc. Am I still a good person? Does this matter? My thoughts?
(DUH this is an exaggerated example, but it is perfect analogy to thinking about the value of the subjective realm, and how 'real' it is, and important)
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
originally posted by: ImaFungi
For example if you invite me over to dinner, and I am a perfect person in every manner, appearance, well mannered, I smile, im polite, and we have a nice time; but, every single second in my mind I am thinking and yelling deranged thoughts, lude and crude, about your family, and imagining violent ways of destroying and harming your family etc. Am I still a good person? Does this matter? My thoughts?
(DUH this is an exaggerated example, but it is perfect analogy to thinking about the value of the subjective realm, and how 'real' it is, and important)
I don't disagree with your analogy except when a negative external stimulus is applied. It's similar to a child having a heated argument with their parent or two spouses yelling at each other. When tempers rise, hurtfull things are sometimes said. It doesn't mean that the child that says "I hate you!" to their parent actually hates them and it doesn't mean that a man actually sees his wife as a "bitch", 99% of the time... In other words, at what point is the line drawn between reality and perception? It's amazing to me how racism has become such a ridiculous absolute in the modern world. Say the wrong word once and the court of public opinion will label you as a racist. Evn worse, the more the acused supplicates him or herself, the more blood the media sharks sense in the water. As a result, I honestly believe the only reasonable defense against a claim of racism is a shrug of the shoulders and a nonchallance towards the accusation.
originally posted by: MikhailBakunin
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: FlyersFan
I have no problem with this. He is not discriminating against anyone, he is just saying the facts.
Larry Bird (whom is white) agrees with him.
Well, I think so," said Bird, the Indiana Pacers' president of basketball operations. "You know, when I played, you had me and Kevin [McHale] and some others throughout the league. I think it's good for a fan base because, as we all know, the majority of the fans are white America. And if you just had a couple of white guys in there, you might get them a little excited. But it is a black man's game, and it will be forever. I mean, the greatest athletes in the world are African-American."
sports.espn.go.com...
A white nba owner allegedly made disparaging remarks about black men, why is it unfair for someone to point out the hypocrisy of that given that the majority of players are black? We shouldn't allow the pc police to make us avoid saying factual things because it might hurt someones feelings.
It can be 100% afro-americans playing and the sport of basketball will still be considered a white man's sport because it was created by white men and the logo is Jerry West, a white man. Black men wearing a white man logo and playing a sport invented by white men.... it works. Throw'em a ball ... better then selling crack and shooting people
U mad bro?
originally posted by: MikhailBakunin
point being... it will never be a black league, idc how many black dudes can dribble and shoot... they're just doing their best white man's impression. Before they saw how a basketball bounces they were busy trying to figure how to bag white man's groceries and getting sprayed with fire hoses.
originally posted by: captaintyinknots
Fair enough, I just wanted to be clear that we were on the same page....
originally posted by: MrInquisitive
originally posted by: captaintyinknots
a reply to: MrInquisitive
Please, dont include all white people, not all of us are that way.
I'm Caucasian too. In no way did I imply that all whites are this way. What I am saying is that the people who attempt to make this argument about what Barkley said are this way, and I am purdee sure that most all of them are white.
Byrd saying it's a black man's league is saying that because he's playing media politics... Barkeley's wrong and he should feel privileged we gave his people a chance to entertain white america.
you 'mirin, brah?
Breh..........who besides ummmmmmm YOU believes basketball is a white man's sport? Be honest with yourself too...
Rock n Roll begun as black music, how many people today realize this?
Also Esau, a black man invented the cell phone, do you count the cell phone as a black thing?
originally posted by: MikhailBakunin
a reply to: captaintyinknots
who's signing their checks?
Who owns the banks lebron runs to for his money?
What color are the people who created those fancy cars he drives to the bank?
Who's making money off of Lebron's name for simply using his natural abilities?
I'd be hard pressed to find the answer to any of these answers that own this black man's world to be an afro-merican
originally posted by: MikhailBakunin
originally posted by: captaintyinknots
a reply to: MikhailBakunin
I get it. You think the white man runs the world (and they probably do). What, in the hell, does that have to do with this topic?
The topic of barkeley saying it's a black league? When none of it is? It's pretty much a factory of using black man's abilities to make money off of their natural abilities and as soon as they can't run fast, jump high, or dribble a ball down the court with the younger guys they're thrown to the curb... (most of'em bankrupt) .... rinse and repeat... same process that happens to cow's in the slaughter house... owners bringing in the new and kicking out the old....
kinda sad actually.... same thing with the NFL
originally posted by: ImaFungi
Its a players and fans league. The NBA cannot exist without the players or fans. It can exist without sterling. The majority of the NBA players are black. Therefore it is true statement to say it is a predominantly black league. Probably 80% or something. This is what makes the NBA the NBA, the highest skilled basketball players in the world competing against each other. This is what the fans want to see. This is why it is a big business. So the league is mainly black. One could say most likely the fans are predominantly black, but most likely many black americans, and people the world over are fans of the NBA, so it is that symbiosis of players and fans of the sport that support each other. It is retarded for an owner, who benefits off of this symbiosis, the labor of his workforce, to 'disrespect' them so. He can have his own opinions and views, he can disrespect black people and think they are lesser, but he should also expect this sort of backlash from the nation, if he comes out and says his views, and I guess I should expect people to defend him.