The Conspiracy To Discredit Christ as a Myth and to change Christianity into "do what thou wilt"

a reply to: captaintyinknots

what your god is and how he is, then Ill gladly take a pass.

You have no choice in the matter only because you have made
no other choice in the matter.



Selling one self a bunch of unfounded reasons then pointing those
reasons out to justify ones audacious self righteousness above God?

That would make one rather pathetic all the way around. Not to mention
immature.

a reply to: Murgatroid

You believe in some massively un-provable things.

Just like every other religion out there which are convinced that all of this comes from some "God with a Plan".

The only part I can agree with, is that the original plan has been destroyed, but not by man.

Man CANNOT destroy the plans for the Universe, but I imagine that blame has to be foisted upon someone.

The entire basis for your religion is that "man" has fallen, and needs to be reconciled.. sounds like a very nice cover story , a ruse to keep the exact same rigmarole going on for eternity, utter and total confusion.

Let us try something new, how about PROVING all of this is real, truth, and showing how to do it?

I for one can tell you, Christians will be among the first in line trying to desperately stop anything that will REALLY uncover the truth of creation, of who and HOW things have gotten off-track.

The Creator itself will be found not to exist as before, and many of us know that is why ASININE amounts of efforts go into making sure people never find out just how powerful they are, because the ones who inhale your prayers need you to continue!

a reply to: randyvs

You are so very wrong Randyvs, and it will surely be proven to you.

Your soul means well, I can see this, so you likely will be given a chance to see..

That you are being held hostage to the very things you honor as your liberators....

Unless you fully take yourself out of the belief that you are a pathetic fallen being who needs to do some magical sacrament to an unseen force which ACTUALLY DOES at times create a response in your Chakras unbeknownst to you... you can never see or even being to try and imagine a life without the fear of NOT KNOWING.

Claim all you like that you have found what you are looking for, but some of us have gone far beyond caring about ANYTHING any religion could ever hope to convince us of.

Oh and btw, we are also going to actually do some legwork and ROUST the truth up and out, so that ALL can see.

a reply to: ParasuvO

If God were small enough to be understood, He would not be big enough to be worshiped.
Evelyn Underhill

Do you even understand that the maker of Heaven
and Earth and everything below and in between, is absolutely
worth our love and worship? Do you even have a clue why
you have a precious chakra? You have nothing on me pal.
I'm happy.

The problem with all of that is that initial premise of Christianity is not all about "love" and "forgiveness" and nice ole' God sending down his son.

The original premise is that of Old Testament condemnation, original sin, and the assertion in the Bible no person that has ever lived can meet the impossible standard set by the Bible/"God."

I have zero problem with the idea of love and forgiveness from God and between people. That's great.

What is not great and totally appalling is the theology of Christianity, that because of either original sin (which is insane) or a single sin we might make due to us not being able to "meet the mark," we are condemned to hell by God.

Now, once you liberate your mind and think rationally you realize that such a system is not only injust but it is not the mark of a loving and good God.

The "News" is not "Good" when the theology states that we need Jesus to be saved from something that really isn't our fault, i.e. original sin or inability to meet an impossible and unreasonable standard. Hence, it is the standard itself that is wrong and there is no condemnation. Because there is no condemnation, there is no need for salvation from hell. Because there is no condemnation for hell, Jesus, although probably a Godly or wise dude, isn't necessary.

And, because all of it is ridiculous, I hold as do many others that therefore the theology is not the inerrant word of God but instead of fearful ancient men. The God I believe in would be better than that.

originally posted by: arpgme
Some people say that Christ is just mythology.

Even if there were Pagan Gods who died and came back to life and did miracles, does that actually compare to The Good News (Gospel) of Christ?

Which of any of these gods put an emphasis on Forgiving the world of its evil (Matthew 26:28)

and teaching others to do the same? (Matthew 6:14 / Luke 6:27-29)

Which God allowed himself to be killed and taught the lesson that even through the worse possible pain, even through death, you can still hold on to The Forgiveness that comes from The Spirit saying "Father (God), Please forgive them for they know not of what they do"? (Luke 23:34)

Which of any of these Gods controlled, not by many rules of The Law, but by a simple practical and compassionate teaching that fulfills it and all of The Prophets who taught it ? (Matthew 7:12)



There are some people who say that Jesus paid the price for our sins and now we can do whatever we want since the price has been paid and we are not forgiven. This seems to be the philosophy of "Do what thou wilt" (which is also a part of Satanic philosophy).

We are told "yes", we have received Forgiveness from God for Sins, but we are also to Forgive others or else we will NOT be forgiven.
(Matthew 6:15 / Mark 11:26)

We are told that it is The Merciful who are blessed, because it is They who will be shown Mercy (Matthew 5:7)
We are told to be Merciful so that we can be Children of our Heavenly Father who is also Merciful (Luke 6:36)

Christianity is truly based on Mercy (Forgiveness), but it is not that you can "do what thou wilt for thou art already forgiven" philosophy, but as said in Matthew 6:15 and Mark 11:26 you must first forgive in order to be Forgiven.

originally posted by: BombDefined
I was recently at a Christian conference and was trying to discuss the latter with people.

I was trying to see how Christians justified military service (i.e. ANZAC day) with the commandment 'Thou Shalt not Kill'. I am aware that the context also offers the translation of 'Thou Shalt not Murder', but basically every form of people killing people is sin, with the exceptions of accident and defence - biblically speaking. Opponents to this thinking often cite the faithful Centurion and that Jesus didn't chastise him for his conduct (Jesus dwelt with sinners, and didn't always specifically point out their sins etc.). They seem to see this as accepted by omission (despite scriptures to the contrary).

People went so far to say that the famous 10 commandments don't apply anymore, as basically we are now covered by Christ's sacrifice. While there is no punishment from not obeying (the wages of sin is death), Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Not to mention James 1:22 "Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says." - It's still Gods will and there will be judgement from it. Not even getting into the sermon on the mount...

Unfortunately, modern Christianity is something that evil has a foothold in. Even from a completely non-spiritual perspective, Jesus was basically a socialist pacifist who is somehow now synonymous with Western concepts of financial greed (corrupt capitalism), materialism and militarism.

Ecclesiastes :there is a time for peace and there is a time for war. To every purpose under the sun there is a time and a season.

And the rest is because people don't know Jesus, just a person they heard about. There is little real relationship anymore. The 10 Commandments, still necessary and still relevant.

Blessed are the peacemakers, but you just can't be at peace with all people all the time. Sometimes you have to go to war to defend your nation or defend people who have had that power taken from them by evil leaders.

Romans 12: 9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;

12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.

14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Sometimes it just doesn't lie within you when you see children abused, women beaten almost to death, girls forced into marriages, human trafficking, churches burned, Christians shot with AK 47s and no one says a thing, people stoned to death and things like that.

We are not to seek vengeance against what is done to us, but we can defend others. We can have patience in our own tribulation, but we should never allow it to happen to others when we can stop it. And this is what this Christian says.

And there I was thinking the core intention of the story/myth was "love your next, like you love yourself"? Am I wrong? So, how can you love yourself, if you don't do what you want? And denying yourself every kind of pleasure, just because you worry about someone judging you, because he might be jealous when you have the audacity to be yourself, leads to nothing but hate. Just chillax have some fun and try to be good people, is the message I get from all this "religion-stuff".

Even if there were Pagan Gods who died and came back to life and did miracles, does that actually compare to The Good News (Gospel) of Christ?

It means Christianity is largely fabricated, that's what it means.

originally posted by: Ninipe
And there I was thinking the core intention of the story/myth was "love your next, like you love yourself"? Am I wrong? So, how can you love yourself, if you don't do what you want?

Is that really loving yourself if it is self-destructive?

Just the other day in my building a guy got drunk and had a fight with his girlfriend who blocked his way from going out the door. He loved to drink, that was fun to him. But then he jumped off his balcony and broke both his feet and his hand.

That didn't seem to be very smart, but he wanted to drink. Loving yourself means you aren't self-destructive and if you aren't, then chances are you won't do destructive things to people in your life. Our lives are not our own, what we do affects those around us.

a reply to: Murgatroid

Was Adam ever looked at as God? No

Was Noah God? No

Was Moses God? No

Was Abraham God? No

Was Isaac or Jacob God? No

Was David or Soloman God? No

What do all these people or characters have in common with Jesus? They were all prophets and none of them were ever called God or called themselves God. They are all Sons of God because they were found righteous by walking in the footsteps of God. If anything, Adam is superior to Jesus because he was the first man in creation and didn't have biological parents at all. Even Jesus had a mother.

a reply to: WarminIndy

Well if you love yourself, you know yourself, which means you live with an keen eye on your flaws to keep them in check. And there is nothing self-destructive to admit you like stuffed bears, or something, even if you're 53. But in general you sound like a reasonable person, so I guess we might just have a little communication problem here, always the stuff with the definitions and nuances....

originally posted by: ParasuvO
a reply to: Murgatroid

You believe in some massively un-provable things... how about PROVING all of this is real...

Please don't take this the wrong way but you have been deceived.

I don't just believe what I'm talking about, I KNOW...

How do I know?

I have seen proof, PERSONALLY.

Do not ask for proof, you will never get it, ever.

Proof must be experienced PERSONALLY.

Don't expect others to show you something you cannot comprehend yet as that is impossible.

What you need to understand is that proof DOES exist.

I KNOW it and I have found it, it is a FACT.

But it's not something that can just be passed on in a few seconds.

It took me many years to come to that place.

The problem isn't with a lack of proof.

HERE is the problem:

“Nothing is as it appears to be.” ~ Robert Booth Nichols

The majority of what most of us believe is a LIE.

We have been "programmed" to believe LIES our entire lives...

Until you come face to face with REALITY and understand that everything you know is a lie, you will NEVER be entirely convinced of the truth.

The proof is right in front of your face.

You just haven't learned to recognize it yet.

The key is in learning to discern between truth and lies. Until you do that, you are wasting your time.

The truth IS out there but it's been deliberately buried under a mountain of lies.

"Do what thou wilt shall be the only law."

rfcnet.org...

The belief of Madelyn Murray O'Hair according to her son.

Is the AA behind this attempt to bastardize Christianity?

Also, not only must you forgive others to be forgiven, you must repent your wrongdoing.

a reply to: blueyezblkdragon

The truth is you're religion is destroying itself from the inside.

Friend, Christianity -- a faith involving the willful acceptance of Christ's teachings and desire to grow in His likeness, cannot be dismantled from the outside, nor can it be destroyed from within. 1 Timothy 6:3-6 sheds light on this subject.

(3) If anyone teaches other doctrine and does not agree with the sound teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching that promotes godliness, (4) he is conceited, understanding nothing, but has a sick interest in disputes and arguments over words. From these come envy, quarreling, slander, evil suspicions, (5) and constant disagreement among people whose minds are depraved and deprived of the truth, who imagine that godliness is a way to material gain. (6) But godliness with contentment is a great gain. www.biblegateway.com...

Even more blatant, see 2 Peter 2:1-3

(1) But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves. (2) Many will follow their unrestrained ways, and the way of truth will be blasphemed because of them. (3) They will exploit you in their greed with deceptive words. Their condemnation, pronounced long ago, is not idle, and their destruction does not sleep. www.biblegateway.com...

As for the truth behind what living "under grace" means...

We are weak, and we will stumble. We are saved by Christ under grace because Father God loves us, and He knows that, in the flesh, people will ultimately fail under the law. Through Christ, He gave us an avenue by which to reach His kingdom after we shed our bodies. We accept this gift and repent our sinful nature. Our spirit dies and is born again as infants in the likeness of Christ. We grow as the Father raises us, and like any child we stumble and stray from time to time. But He will mature us still.

James 3:1,2

(1) Not many should become teachers, my brothers, knowing that we will receive a stricter judgment, (2) for we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a mature man who is also able to control his whole body. www.biblegateway.com...

Living under grace isn't a free pass to sin because sin is the devil's due, but it does offer love and forgiveness for the times we transgress providing we acknowledge and repent it when we do.

Luke 17:3,4

(3) Be on your guard. If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. (4) And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and comes back to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.” www.biblegateway.com...

Mathew 18:21,22

(21) Then Peter came to Him and said, 'Lord, how many times could my brother sin against me and I forgive him? As many as seven times?'

(22) 'I tell you, not as many as seven,' Jesus said to him, 'but 70 times seven.' www.biblegateway.com...

a reply to: DarknStormy
Here's your dilemma....

You can either believe religion, or you can believe God.

But you can't believe BOTH because they always contradict one another.

This can only lead to one final conclusion...

God's enemy is hiding behind a facade of Religion.

After studying the subject for several years I am 1000% convinced of this fact.

The evidence is just too undeniable.

a reply to: deadeyedick you know what, I'm glad this topic has been started. Jesus Christ, who was he? A fable, what was he ? A figure head of being holy, I could sit here and right a S.A and state the facts and ethics of the Catholic and christrin religion. And how Jesus is nothing more then a tool to con you into pre conditional behavior. But instead I have a better idea, if Jesus Christ is the Lord and savoir of earth ? Who are the Lord and saviors of other planets with advance intelligent life. ? If you can answer this, you my friend are a hypocrite, if your answer is Jesus Christ, then you are ignorant. Let me tell you something, there is more to religion, life, reality and earth then the collective consciences of every single living person on earth or who has ever lived could comprehend or understand. Let me put it to you like this. Human beings are flawed by design from higher interlegence. We are designed to be gullible, stupid, weak, prone to sickness, ignorant. And age capped for 60 - 120 years max.



The story of Jesus Christ reminds me of a story i once read about the great " Woo "
Except the great " Woo " was a alien from a higher dimension plugged into every single human on the planet and had the power to control and plant thoughts and behaviors in every single person.

a reply to: blueyezblkdragon

I think that it's true what you say. Hopefully something good remains from the ashes.

a reply to: Murgatroid

After studying the subject for several years I am 1000% convinced of this fact.

And I will absolutely back that up 24/7.

I saw the devil was loosed upon the world in all his wickedness.
And so, I followed Christ alone and lost my way often. But I
noticed that in the times, whereby I was completely lost? That's when
I felt his presence most.

There is no other name on the planet that saves people.
Viet nam vets that people thought would be dead in a month.
I've seen it so much it should be old news. But it never is.

If you want to be happy? Jesus

Please, picture this:
Tammy Fay Bakker - without any make-up...
Now,that you are mentally imagining Tmmy Fay Bakker without any make-up
You are naturally going to want to just move on to the next mental image in your mind
but, what happens if you imagine you can't get Tammy Fay Bakkers Image out of your mind because it is somehow stuck there?
In fact you now realize that the harder you try not to picture Tammy Fay Bakker without any make-up
the more you actually DO picture Tammy Fay Bakker without any make-up...

ok;
so about now, Jim Bakker is thinking christianity must evolve....
After all, what would Jesus do?...water...wine...
( say, limo driver...want to see some magic?...Im going to point left and you are going to turn into a liqure store...)
gee, this Alistir Crowley stuff kinda has its charms...hmmmm...
The great beast, eh....?
ah hell ...one more page won't hurt....
ooohh....look!
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The Conspiracy To Discredit Christ as a Myth

No one is discrediting Christ as a myth, religions and their heroes are generally mythological by their very nature and there is no need to. As they say'twas forever thus. The dictionary definition of "myth" below...all of it relates to Christ and Christianity, the bolded parts particularly so.

myth [mith] noun
1. a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
2. stories or matter of this kind: realm of myth.
3. any invented story, idea, or concept: His account of the event is pure myth.
4. an imaginary or fictitious thing or person.
5. an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.