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posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 08:01 PM
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Haven't posted in a long while, but have been lurking every now and then.

This site is turning really ugly, and there have been countless posts that made me want to break my silence (trying out this whole detached, non-confrontational approach) but this seems to be the best time to air it all out.

Racism won't be dying any time soon, because we minorities are just too uppity. There, I said it!

All these problems are in our heads: 'blacks' aren't profiled, that's ridiculous! We certainly aren't oppressed. Bloody hell, we can just cry racism and we get a free yacht, a billion-dollar mansion and a harem of white women! Life is good...

Except not.

Yeah, I don't really feel privileged when I travel to work. Really don't when I'm there, and certainly not on the way home. It doesn't matter that I wear a suit, either. Unfortunately, the closer you move into Zone 1 in London, the more uncomfortable people will be with your presence. It's not in my head - not when I get interrogated with stupid questions about my heritage by customers at work. On a regular basis, no less!

It doesn't even stop when you get home. Imagine, I log on to ATS to catch my daily fix of doom porn, and what does one encounter? 'Foreigners shouldn't be telling indigenous whites what it means to be British'. Really? Like, even though I'm third generation, can name a good portion of our Prime Ministers since good old Sir Bob, and even though I love complaining about this country so much that I'm going travelling for a year to complain about the host country while telling them that London is the center of the universe, I'm still not British enough?

Black privilege at its finest.

Now I expect to get flamed and shamed for this post. I truly don't care - come at me. But this is just one gripe among many. It's becoming increasingly acceptable, and at an aggressive pace, to denigrate minorities for things they aren't even doing or saying because some armchair social pundits are 'allergic to PC BS'. There are many ethnic minorities, women, working class people, disabled people, non-heterosexuals and others that will tell you that they don't support affirmative action... not in its current form, anyway. (Mainly talking about the US here, because I've never benefited from it in the UK, lol.) But the question is, are they the ones with the collective power to enforce ridiculous band-aids of safeguards that pretty much make life worse for everyone?

So, will racism die? If one observes the current climate, it looks like it will get worse before it gets better, and right now, many of its victims are the ones being blamed for its ostensible potency. If they don't have the power to change people's opinions by just shutting up, which I did for many years to no avail, then... well...
edit on 26-4-2014 by ihavenoaccount because: Orginially meant to post this in another thread, but it was a little too off-topic, methinks.





posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 08:06 PM
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It's one thing to have a normal diverse population, but nations still have a theme. I have made some post about our government brining in foreigners from countries that generally don't enjoy democracy, equality, treat women and children well and have high crime rates, and criminal behaviors. And suddenly they're in, 8% of the population, in the last 3 years, and taking over 9/10 jobs. WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?

This isn't about minorities and its not racist.

NWO seems to be about destroying democracies, freedom and the middle class, social programs and medical, and doing a race replacement.

So, most people have nothing against diverse people, but agenda's like this, have to be stopped 100% now, in fact today is far too late. Yesterday!
edit on 26-4-2014 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 08:10 PM
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a reply to: ihavenoaccount


Well from my perspective of late (the last say 10 - 12 years) its minorities who seem to be the racist ones.

From media to laws they are all there to protect minorities.

WHY? Because they cried the loudest and made all this fuss. Just like the religious type have done for decades.


At the end of the day.....IF you feel British and have integrated into life in London and taken on the culture of the UK then you are British.


BUT bare in mind the old adage....to much milk in your coffee and its no longer a coffee!!!


edit on 26-4-2014 by projectbane because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 08:20 PM
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originally posted by: projectbane
a reply to: ihavenoaccount

At the end of the day.....IF you feel British and have integrated into life in London and taken on the culture of the UK then you are British.


BUT bare in mind the old adage....to much milk in your coffee and its no longer a coffee!!!




I'm sorry... but aren't those two contradicting statements?

We're bound to change our minds over centuries, and bound to look different as well. So I find that comment to be in poor taste as it infers that yes, a white South African is indeed more British than a third-generation English citizen that happens to be non-white.

P.S. When most minorities 'kick up a fuss', nothing happens. Comparing us all to Al Sharpton and his capability for facilitating civil unrest is intellectually dishonest.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 08:24 PM
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edit on 26-4-2014 by Tucket because: missed OPs context



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 08:29 PM
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a reply to: Tucket

Indeed lol, sorry. My sarcasm doesn't translate well, even in person!



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 08:30 PM
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Every minority should all band together and start hoarding resources so they can have the edge for the coming dark ages lol.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 08:32 PM
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a reply to: ihavenoaccount

Yes both my statement are conflicting...I did add the BUT part though.

Minorities have managed to change the rules and laws though. In the UK if two WHITE kids beat a BLACK/BROWN kid up its

ABH or GBH assault, if using a weapon and they are injured its section (18) wounding with intent AND the law will add racially aggravated intent!!!

IF the situaiton is reverse and two black kids beat up a white kid etc...NO racial element is added as per the law!!

Why? Why is it minorities can never be racists?


Racism is a part of life. Always has been always will be. Are we NOT free? Are we not free to dislike anyone for any reason? Are we NOT allowed to not like someone? This is the problem. Why do I have to like blacks? Or Brown people? Or Chinese? Or whatever? Why can I not express my dislike for anyone regardless of the reason?

When people flock to the UK from other countries it tends to be ok to start with, then the more come and over time the essence of the country is lost and these people who were guests in the country start to create divides and rules and moan.

No one way is perfect!!



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 08:34 PM
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a reply to: ihavenoaccount

I honesty believe many countries covertly keep racism alive keep us fighting amongst our selves instead of bucking the system . If we were unified we could change a lot of things. Divide and conquer or keep divided.

I dont care what color you are treat me good and a equal we will get along great. The politics of race here in the US is ingrained into politics it obscures the issues. Right now gripe vent about our presidents politics it not you disagree with his policy its your racist . This ferments hostility where there wasn't in the first place.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 08:55 PM
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a reply to: projectbane

If you hate another race, you're racist. Period. That isn't what the establishment thinks, granted, but I'd love to hear your argument proving the establishment to be predominantly disabled, Muslim lesbians of colour. Please, be my guest.

Don't give me this 'racism is a part of life' bull, either. When I complained about racism as a kid, that's the response teachers, elders and even my own helpless parents gave me. So I gave up and threw the chip off the proverbial shoulder. But guess what? No matter how much we compromise our satisfaction and shut our mouths, ethnic minorities are still perceived to be ungrateful troublemakers.

When the tables are turned of course, and a non-minority is called out for their insensitivity, it becomes, 'I'm not allowed to be intolerant in my own country! Reverse racism!'

Ethnic minorities are more scared of pulling the 'race card' than you could ever possibly imagine. But people see a tiny, extremely vocal minority do it and suddenly those people become our leaders and representatives. It's sick, and it has nothing to do with us. Do you know why? It's because there is no us.

We're as diverse in opinion as the ethnic majority are. Unfortunately, it seems like a lot of people walk around wearing earmuffs and sleep masks these days. But we all know that, and that's why we're on ATS supposedly denying ignorance.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 09:00 PM
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originally posted by: ihavenoaccount
When most minorities 'kick up a fuss', nothing happens.


Actually, it does. And there lies the problem. The government is afraid of offending "minorities" that they often cave in and bend over backwards to accommodate them. I'm an American who lives in Europe, I've seen this happen time and time again here. It ranges from something little to something big. Either way, it's not good for either party in the long run.

Take Muslims in Europe for example, they're the most vocal group of minorities here. They picket and have demonstrations (often violent and destructive) and the government wants to do whatever it is they can to prevent that from happening. And as I said above, they typically cave in as that's the "easy way out".



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: Auricom

I guess I'm at fault for not clarifying.

Take a British citizen. Their religion doesn't matter in this case, as they primarily identify with being British. They drink tea, they play football, and they watch Eastenders. They go to work and pay their taxes, just like anyone else would. The only differences are that they don't look like the average Englishman, and their ancestors got off the boat a little later.

They aren't looking to take over the system. They just want to be rightfully accepted as the citizens they are. Unfortunately, when an ethnic minority claims racism these days, people think they're overreacting. But that isn't the case.

Ethnic minorities have been slammed with the 'race card' rhetoric for decades now, and I certainly wouldn't claim it unless the situation is dire. I've been called some shameful things at work, even! But I work in an industry catering to powerful people, and so, the power dynamics just aren't friendly at the moment. So yeah, it's still around, and ethnic minorities still get the worst of it.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 09:18 PM
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So long as politicians find ways to empower themselves by playing races against each other it will continue. Most people I know in RL could care less about a person's color, ethnicity or heritage. They simply judge you by how you act when you're around them.
Racism could be gone very soon were it not for those who benefit from it's presence. That should tell us all something about who the real enemy of "the people" is.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 09:21 PM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

Agreed! I just wish people would stop looking to ethnic minorities as if we have the supreme power to end it all. We're not the problem, the TPTB is! But there are even posters on this site who would rather blame the minorities because it's easier. That's lazy and unfair, in all fairness.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: ihavenoaccount
Larry Elder com
I am white but a big fan of Larry Elder who is a Los Angeles KABC talk radio host who is African American. He has been smeared by some blacks for his criticism of Obama, Al Sharpton, etc..
He is very popular local who grew up in South LA so he knows what is truth about "racism ".



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 09:57 PM
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I’m not going to hang around here and debate my feelings about the topic because I know it’s a dead-end street, and won’t change anyone’s mind. But, I will go ahead and express my view anyway, just for the record. Also, my views are based upon race relations as I’ve seen it evolve/devolve over the years in the USA. Other countries may be different, but I suspect it’s pretty much rampant throughout the world. And lastly, I’m a lilly white male whose father was most definitely a racist, though he would never admit it.

In the USA racism is alive and kicking like a stallion. Most whites won’t own up to it, as it’s considered politically/culturally incorrect, but you can bank on it, it’s there. And it goes from the bottom of society to the very top. I believe some of our political “leaders” are the most despicable racists of all. It offends me when they skate around the issue, and when they use buzz words and phrases to convey their hatred and contempt for minorities; ie “Takers”, “Welfare Queens”, “Foodstamp President”, “the 47%’rs”, “the President isn’t like us. He doesn’t understand America”, etc, etc, etc. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out this is racist trash talk to the core.

It’s also quite obvious that it’s no coincedence all these gun-toting, bomb carrying vigilante groups seem to pop up when there’s a democrat, ESPECIALLY A BLACK ONE, in the Whitehouse. That’s when the Waco’s, Ruby Ridge’s, and Timothy McVey’s come out to play. I’d wager 10-1 odds that if Cliven Bundy were a black man, a Mexican, an Asian, etc there would be no armed militia around to cover his backend. Instead he would be labeled a “welfare cowboy” and would be scorned by all the white do-gooders out there.

I guess many of us just want some group(s) to kick around, call “different” and intimidate so that we can feel better about our own sorry asses. It’s sad, if you ask me. We can be a really ugly animal...

PS: Flame me all you like, but that’s MHO and I’m standing by it...
PPS: In answer to your question, ihavenoaccount, I doubt racism will die in our lifetime...



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: ihavenoaccount

Racism is alive and well and it will always be. Even if all races eventually mix, people will find different things to otherize.

I think there is truth in bot what you and what someone of the other posters are saying. I do not doubt that you have experienced discrimination in your life. I also think people are right that many politicians cave in and cater to minorities.

The problem is these politicians don't truly care about the minorities. They advance these causes for several reasons. The first is to divide us, the people, because they fear if we would unite and realize that we are all being taken advantage of they would be in trouble.

Policies like affirmative action prove this by upsetting the people not "benefiting" from them. They then blame the people they perceive as getting these and treat them harshly. Those people being treated harshly in turn get angry at the others and the cycle is completed. In reality, the people at the bottom of the totem pole had nothing to do with the decision and are both being played. Like you said, you have no more say in what your politicians do or say than do the majority looking people, so how dare they come at you.

The other thing these policies do is serve to keep minority groups disenfranchised. By making special exemptions or whatever for these groups you are making the claim they are not capable of working as hard (using the affirmative action example) as others. It also makes them dependent on the government, which means they can be more easily controlled.

I do sympathize with you and I am truly sorry that there are people that are so ignorant that they would treat you differently because of how you look. All I can say that i promise you that if I am rude or angry towards you it will be based solely on your words and not how you look.
(Unless i see a picture of you and your way hotter or athletic than me, then I reserve the right to jealously rant)



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: ihavenoaccount

all ethnicities are equally prejudiced against all others. which groups specifically are you unsuccessfully seeking approval from and why? do you really think blacks aren't just as racist as any other group? if an anglo white guy goes to Africa, what can he expect regarding social acceptance by locals? it's a simple unavoidable fact of life. people aren't obligated to love people who don't look like them. heck, there's plenty of hatred WITHIN ethnic groups. to expect wholesale acceptance from another group is naive and to complain about it is pointless.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 10:26 PM
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originally posted by: netbound


In the USA racism is alive and kicking like a stallion. Most whites won’t own up to it, as it’s considered politically/culturally incorrect, but you can bank on it, it’s there. And it goes from the bottom of society to the very top. I believe some of our political “leaders” are the most despicable racists of all. It offends me when they skate around the issue, and when they use buzz words and phrases to convey their hatred and contempt for minorities; ie “Takers”, “Welfare Queens”, “Foodstamp President”, “the 47%’rs”, “the President isn’t like us. He doesn’t understand America”, etc, etc, etc. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out this is racist trash talk to the core.


No doubt there are many racists people that say this. But to say all people that say these things is a racist is ridiculous. Lets take the term foodstamp president. I have often criticized Obama's administration (and previous ones such as Bush) for siphoning money out of the middle class to the wealthy, thereby leading to more people needing foodstamps. I don't think that makes me a racist. I could care less what color the people recieving the aid are.

Now granted, many people who say this have contempt for people receiving aid, but I know many of these people (who I don't agree with btw) who could care less what color the people getting it are.


It’s also quite obvious that it’s no coincedence all these gun-toting, bomb carrying vigilante groups seem to pop up when there’s a democrat, ESPECIALLY A BLACK ONE, in the Whitehouse. That’s when the Waco’s, Ruby Ridge’s, and Timothy McVey’s come out to play.


Or maybe when a democrat is in office is when the government is more likely to use an authoritative approach such as at Waco and Ruby ridge? I believe there is no difference in the two parties at all, both are self serving and not interested in the people. I think you will find that there were plenty of militia types during Republican terms.

And do you really think that if a white Republican would have taken Bundys cows and tried to kick him out he would have been like "Oh your white so its cool I will leave".


I’d wager 10-1 odds that if Cliven Bundy were a black man, a Mexican, an Asian, etc there would be no armed militia around to cover his backend. Instead he would be labeled a “welfare cowboy” and would be scorned by all the white do-gooders out there.


Maybe. Maybe not. I know plenty of people that agree with Bundy that would honestly care less what color he was. I certainly could care less what color he is.


I guess many of us just want some group(s) to kick around, call “different” and intimidate so that we can feel better about our own sorry asses. It’s sad, if you ask me. We can be a really ugly animal...



No disagreement there. There will always be ignorant hurtful people. Just know that those people come from all sides of the aisle, and are all shades of color.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 11:06 PM
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