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Is Calling Cliven Bundy a Racist Just About Shaming Conservatives? What Does This Solve? [And More]

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posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 05:15 PM
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I just want to start out by saying that my political philosophy is not conservative. I started a thread a couple of weeks ago that seems to denigrate women (hence the reason that people may think I'm conservative), but it was an idea that I had in my head that I didn't allow to fully gel, and which subsequently led me to botch the whole thread. (I recommend reading my and Bluesma's last posts on that thread.) My political philosophy is mostly apolitical. I actually mostly don't believe that any polity (political unit, example: nation) can solve any problems. I believe that if politics were used in humanity's future, it would be mostly utilized as some sort of game that wouldn't have any meaning in and of itself (this may be a future thread).

But anyway, that was too much information. The point of this thread is about liberals jumping the gun, and possibly even manipulating matters to make Cliven Bundy out to be a racist. We already know that the video in which he mentions "negroes" in the same breath as slaves was edited to perhaps make Mr. Bundy look like something he's not. But my thread is actually about more than just Bundy, and points to the meta-narrative of liberals trying to shame conservatives by painting them as racists, misogynists, intolerant in general and close-minded.

It's obvious that as a political philosophy, conservatism has had this sordid past, especially here in the US at times. But as a seemingly forward looking political philosophy, liberals in general seem very much stuck in the past! What is the real reason for calling conservatives racist, and such?

If you really stop and think about it, if conservatives were really intolerant, there would be no point in calling them such. If you knew that they were truly intolerant, you would know that it would not be possible to embarrass them by designating them as such. The conservatives in the deep South, especially before the Civil Rights era, were not at all embarrassed about being called racist. I would say that it was taken up as a badge of honor for them. Being called a racist didn't work on them; it didn't phase them.

So this begs the question, do liberals really believe that conservatives are intolerant, or are they just trying to shame them by bringing up the past? If it's the latter then it's obvious that liberals are not about trying to promote an intelligent discussion, much less a positive one.

My advice to conservatives is this. If it is obvious that liberals are not about promoting an intelligent discussion then why not just ignore them? Let them do their thing, run their course, do that which they cannot do, like protecting the environment and such, because obviously they are too focused on petty matters, and not on solving the problems that they supposedly care about. Let them, and furthermore, make them make themselves disappear, naturally.

This is my short analysis and manifesto for the conservatives, from somebody who does not really believe that politics is the answer.
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posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 05:39 PM
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Ever watch hunger games? It's called divide n conquer: class warfare, race warfare, sex warfare. There's really no difference.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1

I don't understand your point. Could you please clarify?



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 05:42 PM
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a reply to: brazenalderpadrescorpio


First off, I would like to say that this whole 'race' thing is just a diversion to draw attention away from the BLM fiasco and Harry Reid scandal
And it's working...
Even here on ATS the focus is now on 'race' when the real issue at hand is----->>>>>BLM/Reid

Bundy is one of the few to stand up for his rights and see what's happened??
I will say that he needs to stop with this nonsense crap and get back to his land deal problem

And secondly, from what I have read just from the comments in these threads, anybody that is against Conservatives will sling mud and call them names in a heart beat
And this Bundy fiasco has given them all the ammo they need right now


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posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 05:46 PM
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I think using terms like liberal and conservative prevents intelligent discussion.

When will people grow up?



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 05:46 PM
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a reply to: brazenalderpadrescorpio

It is my understanding that it as the democrat party in the deep south that was predominantly racist.

Republicans at the time were for civil rights.

May want to brush up on your own homework before discussing the merits of calling anyone racist.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 05:47 PM
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(by conservative and liberal I'm talking about socially conservative and socially liberal, sin is used in secular context basically denoting "harmful or negative behavoirs")

it's essentially just rural vs urban or urban vs rural.

Conservatives dislike liberals because liberals represent urban-life, and all of it's sins
Liberals dislike conservatives because they represent rural-life, and all of it's sins


liberals raise this issue of bundy's clearly racist remarks because it confirms in their minds that this man is a ignorant rube.

Conservatives will do things that correspond to this in their endless rants about liberals and progressives.

see all the conservative pundits, both mainstream and non, on what happens to left-wing protesters when the police crack down. Those conservative pundits who sound so supportive towards the police pepperspraying, teargassing, and beating progressive-student-activists act as if the response to bundy by the BLM is overreacting, when as far as I'm aware, bundy wasn't pepper-sprayed, beaten and thrown into the back of a police car.
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posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 05:47 PM
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originally posted by: brazenalderpadrescorpio
a reply to: amfirst1

I don't understand your point. Could you please clarify?



I think what they are saying is 'divide and conquer'

The whole 2 party system that keeps us apart
To me, it's worse now the ever before
Or maybe it's just more 'in your face' than it used to be

Wish they would do away with the political party lines myself

I understand the opposing political views of people

But this name calling and bullying just because of someone's views, seems childish not to mention annoying, especially when trying to have a civil debate


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posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 05:50 PM
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a reply to: snarky412

But see, I think that conservatives, and those sympathetic to the conservative cause, should just laugh it off and ignore them. Let them play those games with themselves. Let them talk to the hand, so to speak.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: snarky412

Oh, yeah. If that's the case, I understand the person's point. I agree.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

I'm pretty sure it wasn't the Democrats. Besides, I wasn't saying that it was okay to call anyone racist.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 05:56 PM
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originally posted by: brazenalderpadrescorpio
a reply to: snarky412

But see, I think that conservatives, and those sympathetic to the conservative cause, should just laugh it off and ignore them. Let them play those games with themselves. Let them talk to the hand, so to speak.



Oh I agree...

This is where Mr.Bundy has screwed up

Instead of dropping the issue, he feels compelled when asked by MSM to elaborate more and when he does, well it goes from bad to worse
And the hounds pounce on him and rip his words apart
Which then the media gleefully hones in on his mistakes

He needs someone to do his PR work for him and tell him no more interviews



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 05:58 PM
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originally posted by: brazenalderpadrescorpio
a reply to: beezzer

I'm pretty sure it wasn't the Democrats. Besides, I wasn't saying that it was okay to call anyone racist.



Just FYI then.

Whatever. . .




posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 05:59 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

political party doesn't really matter looking at the big picture (as in large scale, the full history of the US), as much as party platform, or party stances at whatever time you're looking at.

I could go on... but it would become an essay/rant that would be tl;dr.

its much better to think of it in terms of conservative/liberal and reactionary/progressive.. and even that is a broad simplification of what's going on.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

You're actually right. I just looked at Wikipedia. If that's the case, then I've been brainwashed too, because I've always thought that it was the Republicans who were against Civil Rights. Weird.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 06:05 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

I'm surprised that Republicans don't use that point to counter accusations of racism.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 06:05 PM
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As long as it's going to be about Liberal/Conservative, maybe we should look at both "versions" of the controversial video.

The "Short" version is 1:29 and the "Long" version is 3:13.

Both are on youtube by two different posters.

The transcripts are similar but not the same......

See if you can spot the "racist" parts, or if you think one version is more "racist", or if the long original is not so "racist".

The media has made this a "racist" issue.

Video 1 - short, edited version & transcript ...



Transcript

0:00
the nato I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negroid
0:04
when're when I go good go to Australia mark corporation
0:09
and I would be reveal Government House in
0:13
an inferno at Government House bid the door was usually over
0:17
and but the only people with a kid
0:20
and there's always at least a half a dozen people have known the port
0:24
they did have nothing to do
0:28
they didn't have gotten for the kids to do billion mm
0:31
young girl to do and because I'm they were
0:35
basically arm government subsidy so now what do they do
0:39
they abort third their young children they put a young man and you know
0:44
because they never they never got a pic cotton and about 100 or they better open
0:51
slaves
0:51
picking cotton am family line open dude bring
0:54
already better off under government subsidy good
0:59
thing know they did you know more freedom ago let's bring them
1:03
the headlamp family alive and they're happy that you could be in there baby
1:08
the one hand the men on and monitored
1:10
gonna be my girl on our
1:14
good returns
1:16
the mood among government my
1:19
did not bring them by who
1:23
of

VIDEO: Cliven Bundy's Racist Remarks

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Video 2 - long version & transcript ...



Transcript


0:00
and so when I'm would testified to yet
0:04
I with the Milwaukee variety I seem to be getting
0:08
fire died in NY like
0:12
the night payment ger
0:15
German
0:16
people are not happy people would bring to me don't have freedom
0:20
thing and they didn't have a great quite a bit goodnight baby
0:26
until now and we sure don't want to go back
0:32
surely won't be colored people have to go back to that point we should or could
0:36
make you can people go back to that point
0:39
good
0:42
and we could make a difference right now by taken care of
0:46
family bureaucracy and do it
0:50
in a peaceful way my
0:55
let me clear talking about to make do you think I know what happened
0:59
later I want to tell you one more thing I know about the neighborhood
1:03
when're when I go when go through lost big mark corporation
1:09
and I would be reveal Government House in
1:13
an intern at Government House bid the door was usually over
1:17
and but very older people with a kid
1:20
and there's always at least a half a dozen people have known the port
1:24
they did have nothing to do
1:28
they didn't have gotten for the kids to do ummm
1:31
young girls to do and because I'm they were
1:34
the basically arm government subsidy so now what do they do
1:39
they abort third their young children they put a young man in jail
1:44
because they never they never learned how to pick cotton and I'm open minded
1:49
or they better open slaves
1:51
picking cotton am family life and don't think or are they better off in a
1:56
government subsidy
1:57
good me know they did you know more freedom
2:01
only got less freedom the headlamp family
2:05
alive and they're happy that you can be unnerving the one hand the men on and
2:09
monitored
2:09
concrete Michael R
2:12
car
2:14
good return on the move at all government my
2:19
did not bring them by
2:23
now let me talk about managed by: you know I understand
2:27
good to come over here against our Constitution because our group porn
2:32
I
2:34
but they're here I and their people
2:37
and I worked beside decide to a lot of them
2:41
don't tell me they don't word and don't tell me they don't pay taxes
2:45
min and don't tell me they don't have better
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family structures been most diverse white people when you see those making
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family
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there together perfect thank you they're spending their time together
3:00
and I'll tell you in my way of thinking
3:03
there of a nice people I'm
3:06
and we need to have been people going to be rude
3:09
not not not come to a party on

Cliven Bundy (Full) Controversial Remarks April 19, 2014

www.youtube.com...



You Decide.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 06:06 PM
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originally posted by: NonsensicalUserName
a reply to: beezzer

political party doesn't really matter looking at the big picture (as in large scale, the full history of the US), as much as party platform, or party stances at whatever time you're looking at.

I could go on... but it would become an essay/rant that would be tl;dr.

its much better to think of it in terms of conservative/liberal and reactionary/progressive.. and even that is a broad simplification of what's going on.


Even then you wouldn't capture the right demographic.

I usually identify the people that are racist, intolerant, abusive, restrictive, narrow-minded, as "progressive."

Then there is everyone else.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 06:08 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

I actually saw the long version, and that's what I was referring to. It's a complete conspiracy.


edit on 26-4-2014 by brazenalderpadrescorpio because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 06:08 PM
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originally posted by: brazenalderpadrescorpio
a reply to: beezzer

I'm surprised that Republicans don't use that point to counter accusations of racism.



Republicans do.

But guess who controls the media!

Welcome to the "eyes open club"!




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