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Fox & Friends producer wanted to talk about future trends. I said #1 will be impacts of climate change. I was told to pick something else.
— Michael Moyer (@mmoyr) April 30, 2014
originally posted by: Matt1951
Correlation does not prove causation, concerning increasing temperatures and CO2, and Warmists do not even have correlation on their side.
originally posted by: DerbyGawker
originally posted by: Matt1951
Correlation does not prove causation, concerning increasing temperatures and CO2, and Warmists do not even have correlation on their side.
Apparently you've ignored all 'correlated' graphs of increased warming, increased CO2, increased methane, and decreased solar energy.
I guess 97% of climate related scientists simply assume correlation without evidence, because that's how science works apparently.
Global warming is 'almost definitely' caused by humans, UN report claims
Finalised version of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report has been released
Co0nsists of 1,500 pages of text, 600 diagrams and cites 9,000 publications
Warns CO2 has reached levels unprecedented in at least 80,000 years and scientists are 95% certain that man is to blame for global warming
originally posted by: DerbyGawker
originally posted by: Matt1951
Correlation does not prove causation, concerning increasing temperatures and CO2, and Warmists do not even have correlation on their side.
Apparently you've ignored all 'correlated' graphs of increased warming, increased CO2, increased methane, and decreased solar energy.
I guess 97% of climate related scientists simply assume correlation without evidence, because that's how science works apparently.
EDIT:
Your list of scientists claiming warming isn't real doesn't exist. So, not unexpected.
originally posted by: Matt1951
Warming halted 16 years ago
originally posted by: DerbyGawker
originally posted by: Matt1951
Warming halted 16 years ago
Warming hasn't halted at all, mean global surface temperature is still increasing
The most likely explanation for the lack of significant warming at the Earth’s surface in the past decade or so is that natural climate cycles—a series of La Niña events and a negative phase of the lesser-known Pacific Decadal Oscillation—caused shifts in ocean circulation patterns that moved some excess heat into the deep ocean. Even so, recent years have been some of the warmest on record, and scientists expect temperatures will swing back up soon.
Is El Niño something new and unusual in the Earth's climate?
No. El Niño has been occurring at least since people started putting thermometers in the ocean around the middle of the nineteenth century.Moreover, archived documents left by the Spanish colonists in Peru confirm that El Niño impacts such as occur now (flooding, marine life disturbances, etc.) have been felt in Peru ever since the first conquistador (Francisco Pizarro) set foot there in the early 16th century. And, as far as we can tell from paleo-climatic indicators such as geological evidence & tree rings, El Niño has been occurring for at least thousands of years, probably much as it has during this century. It will probably continue to occur as long as our climate system works the way it has since the most recent ice sheets of the late pleistocene receded (i.e., needing to get rid of excess tropical heat as explained in the question Does El Niño play a special role in Nature?).
Frequently Asked Questions About El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO)
• So, will the global warming due to greenhouse gases (exhaust from our cars and factories) cause ENSO events to become more frequent or more severe?
. We don't know that for certain. Some studies suggest this may be true while others cast doubt on the idea Part of the problem is that natural changes in the frequency and intensity of ENSO events have occurred in the last five centuries for which records exist, and it is hard for us to distinguish those from recent characteristics that might otherwise be attributed to greenhouse warming. This is also a subject of great interest in research. Unfortunately, while ENSO intervals are well matched to the political time scale that governs our research funding (3-4 years), global warming is not. On the weather effects of El Niño:
•Do weather patterns change during El Niño? Absolutely, and rather drastically in the case of the stronger events, such as 1997/98. If all that occurred during an El Niño were a warming of the equatorial ocean where nobody lives, El Niño would not occupy the public awareness as it now does.
originally posted by: Matt1951
Many scientific theories are eventually proven wrong:
www.theguardian.com...
Correlation does not prove causation, concerning increasing temperatures and CO2, and Warmists do not even have correlation on their side.
More scientists who are not Warmists:
en.wikipedia.org...
originally posted by: Gianfar
originally posted by: Matt1951
Many scientific theories are eventually proven wrong:
www.theguardian.com...
Correlation does not prove causation, concerning increasing temperatures and CO2, and Warmists do not even have correlation on their side.
More scientists who are not Warmists:
en.wikipedia.org...
Can you quote the data that you believe is wrong or are you just shooting in the dark? Exactly what correlations do you object to and why? Saying something is false without telling us what it is really doesn't create doubt.
originally posted by: DerbyGawker
a reply to: Matt1951
You're misinterpreting the data, "close to zero" isn't zero. You can clearly see it is increasing in the chart.
originally posted by: DerbyGawker
a reply to: Matt1951
You ignored the point and presented a straw-man. Your own source, climate.gov clearly shows an increase. Please respond to that point with something substantive before presenting a new argument.