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I think borderline qualifies as bisexual. But that sounds funny because there is no such word as unisexual.
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: WarminIndy
Well that is certainly a refreshing view from the standard Christian....
but again, you are one person... This is not the view of the majority of Christianity
I think borderline qualifies as bisexual. But that sounds funny because there is no such word as unisexual.
Perhaps... then again like I've said, there are people who are just addicted to sex... doesn't matter who its with...
Who knows though... I know there are factually people that are born gay...
Whatever does it for ya I suppose...
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: WarminIndy
Just as Markosity said earlier, even Jesus confirms people are born gay...
For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it
Of course no Christian would ever consider such things coming out of Jesus... but its there... Also why he said let the one who is able to receive it, receive it...
originally posted by: WarminIndy
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: WarminIndy
Just as Markosity said earlier, even Jesus confirms people are born gay...
For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it
Of course no Christian would ever consider such things coming out of Jesus... but its there... Also why he said let the one who is able to receive it, receive it...
I don't think eunuch means gay or homosexual in that day, because the Romans were very homosexual, so why not use the same word?
What Jesus meant was...if you could bear receiving the cutting off of the member, then by all means do it. Has nothing to do with hearing about it.
Even in Jesus' day, homosexuality was a heinous sin and men would be tied together and thrown into the river. That's the punishment. But sure, you can make it seem Jesus was accepting of everything if you twist His words enough. Where they aware of homosexuality? Of course they were, because it was displayed openly among the Romans.
originally posted by: WarminIndy
I wouldn't stop a gay person from going to church. But I probably wouldn't listen to them preach, just as I would not listen to a liar or thief preach.
originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
The speech in mark 7 was in context to the eating of bread with unwashed hands, not the eating of unclean meats.
Going even further, Jesus perfects the dietary law, so important in Jewish daily life, by revealing its pedagogical meaning through a divine interpretation: "Whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him. . . (Thus he declared all foods clean.). . . What comes out of a man is what defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts. . ."In presenting with divine authority the definitive interpretation of the Law, Jesus found himself confronted by certain teachers of the Law who did not accept his interpretation of the Law, guaranteed though it was by the divine signs that accompanied it. This was the case especially with the sabbath laws, for he recalls, often with rabbinical arguments, that the sabbath rest is not violated by serving God and neighbor, which his own healings did.
I know you love your bacon, as you have admitted... but the fact is mark 7 was about eating kosher bread with unclean hands. Mrk 7 has nothing to do with pork. Jesus, the observant Jew would not have allowed it. ____________________________________________________ Jesus said he would reject ''many'' who go up to him saying ''lord,,lord''...and would drive them away calling them ''lawless'', meaning those who ignored the law that jesus said should be kept,
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
unclean meats.
Catholic Catechism 582
“‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; 7 their teachings are merely human rules.’
You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”
originally posted by: markosity1973
It's the state if a persons heart and the way he loves God and fellow man that gets him there.
its true that the Pharisees had an ocd-ish way of keeping the law. However, Jesus never explicitly said its okay to eat pork, as christians have misconstrued Jesus' speech. The pharisees found fault with Jesus' disciples eating with unwashed hands. Jesus rebuttal that food doesn't defile a person had to do with unwashed hands...NOT food prohibited by levitical law...which Jesus said would remain till ''heaven and earth pass away''. Those at the scene described in mark 7 didnt even bring up pork. Jesus would have never allowed pork consumption.
originally posted by: markosity1973
a reply to: sk0rpi0n
Pharisees and all jews had turned basic hygiene into a solemn ritual. They were horrified to see Jesus eat without having followed this ritual and Jesus pointed out in his unique way that eating with dirty hands OR eating whatever does not defile a person.
originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
its true that the Pharisees had an ocd-ish way of keeping the law. However, Jesus never explicitly said its okay to eat pork, as christians have misconstrued Jesus' speech. The pharisees found fault with Jesus' disciples eating with unwashed hands. Jesus rebuttal that food doesn't defile a person had to do with unwashed hands...NOT food prohibited by levitical law...which Jesus said would remain till ''heaven and earth pass away''. Those at the scene described in mark 7 didnt even bring up pork. Jesus would have never allowed pork consumption.
originally posted by: markosity1973
a reply to: sk0rpi0n
Pharisees and all jews had turned basic hygiene into a solemn ritual. They were horrified to see Jesus eat without having followed this ritual and Jesus pointed out in his unique way that eating with dirty hands OR eating whatever does not defile a person.
originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: sk0rpi0n
Christian scholarship.