It amuses me endlessly that you had to clarify your prejudice.
originally posted by: OptimusSubprime
a reply to: sk0rpi0n
This one passage covers homosexuality AND food... Mark 7:14-23
20 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”
For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it
Prominent evangelical professor, Dr. Robert Gagnon who believes all homosexual practice is sinful, put it this way,
Probably “born eunuchs” in the ancient world did include people homosexually inclined, which incidentally puts to the lie the oft-repeated claim that the ancient world could not even conceive of persons that were congenitally influenced toward exclusive same-sex attractions…
originally posted by: lupodigubbio
I'm a gay...
"Leviticus 18:22 ""Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination."
Leviticus 19:19 "nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together."
with a crazy haircut...
Leviticus 19:27 “Ye shall not round the corners of your heads.”
and a groomed beard...
Leviticus 19:27 “Neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.”
who loves oysters...
Leviticus 11:10 “And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which
is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you.”
and works as a gardener...
Leviticus 19:19 “Thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed.”
on the weekends...
Leviticus 23:3 “Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.”
The difference being that judgment happens on the way to Heaven, rather than on earth with a bunch of people throwing stones.
Actually, the New Testament reiterated homosexuality as being sinful, but it also includes all other types of sexual sin in the mix.
originally posted by: halfoldman
I'm gay and don't consider myself a practicing Christian.
While I'll criticize aspects of Christianity, I still consider myself a "cultural Christian", and will side with it broadly when it is attacked.
After all, Christianity was also the cultural milieu of Da Vinci and Michelangelo.
originally posted by: halfoldman
a reply to: WarminIndy
I never advocated gay marriage in this thread, and I rarely bother because in SA we've had legal same-sex marriage since 2006, as well as customary laws for polygamist cultures.
Suffice it to say that marriage is also a civil procedure, and it's not only for religious people.
Jesus also taught that remarriage after divorce is unrepentant adultery, and social laws hardly stigmatize that.
There's also no compulsion to marry, as both Jesus and St Paul made clear.
I respect your paradigm, but actually came to the thread to find out more about Islam and to pose my questions to the OP's initial query and discussion.
Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
originally posted by: deadeyedick
Romans 14 tells us what to eat and that giving thanks and asking for GOD to bless it will cleanse any food. I have been doing much study about food recently and that is my answer. As far as the homosex part, in timothy it tells us how we should conduct ourselves...
1 Timothy 2:12
A woman is not permitted to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
1 Timothy 1:10
for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
1 Timothy 1:7
They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
originally posted by: dollukka
Book of Levicticus was written somewhere 1400 BC.. the rules of Abrahamic religions had their purpose at the time. One was to be able to survive as a religion among other mainstream religions/beliefs at the time. Roman beliefs and Egyptian beliefs mainly. To be able to compete was to make rules which would increase procreation and therefor more believers of their own religion, no seed to be wasted and homosexuality as forbidden. Seed of a man contained the whole child ( female eggs were not known and womb was only hatchery of the child ), wasting seed was criminilized.
Hygiene was not so good those days so its only understandable that actions and rules which would keep people healthy was made.. What meat is unclean and what carcasses are not to be touch etc. Rotten meat was not uncommon in dinner tables.. to hide the taste and smell people started to use spices. Most spiced food is found in those warm countries. They did not have fridgerators or good systems to preserve the food. All those rules was made for survival and survival of the religious belief.
You cannot preserve the meat -- busted
Man seed has the whole child --- busted
Homosexuality is killing babies ( seed holding whole child so wasting seed is killing a baby )--- busted
Abrahamic laws needed today -- busted
originally posted by: OptimusSubprime
a reply to: markosity1973
Merriam-Webster's dictionary defines an Eunuch as follows....
1 : a castrated man placed in charge of a harem or employed as a chamberlain in a palace 2 : a man or boy deprived of the testes or external genitals 3 : one that lacks virility or power
If you choose to believe that it is defined as anything else then that is your problem. You can call an apple a banana if you want to... that still doesn't make it a banana. Here's a more detailed definition of homosexuality...
gay adjective ˈgā
: sexually attracted to someone who is the same sex
: of, relating to, or used by homosexuals
: happy and excited
: cheerful and lively
: affected with a disease or illness
: of or relating to people who are ill
A EUNUCH SPECIFICALLY WAS A MALE WHO WOULD NOT HAVE SEX WITH A WOMAN
These were the three kinds of Eunuchs as so defined in Biblical times.
There was the Eunuch who would not have sex for religious purposes, and entered a monastery.
There was the Eunuch who was castrated to work in harems.
There was the Eunuch who was born with feminine traits, and had no sexual interest in women.
So there you have it... I'm not calling homosexuals/sodomites evil, God is, through His apostle Paul. By the way, that last verse also speaks to not only those who practice sodomy, but those people who accept and condone it as well. By the way... please stop using the word gay... that word means happy, and had a common use and meaning long before those described in the aforementioned passage hijacked it and redefined it.
In his interview with journalists on the flight back from Rio’s WYD Pope Francis has spoken for the first time since becoming pope about homosexuality in which he has re-affirmed the Catechism of the Catholic Church’s presentation of sexual ethics. The BBC reports: He was responding to questions about whether there was a “gay lobby” in the Vatican. ”If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge them?” ”The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well,” Pope Francis said in a wide-ranging 80-minute long interview with Vatican journalists. ”It says they should not be marginalised because of this but that they must be integrated into society.” But he condemned what he described as lobbying by gay people. ”The problem is not having this orientation,” he said. “We must be brothers. The problem is lobbying by this orientation, or lobbies of greedy people, political lobbies, Masonic lobbies, so many lobbies. This is the worse problem.”
originally posted by: Rex282
The "scripture" of"judgment" is 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Some translations have "homosexual from what the King James translated as "abusers of themselves with mankind" from the Greek:
which is from two Greek words
from there it is extrapolated to mean homosexual sex.
btw…. fornicator (pornos) does not mean those who have sex outside of marriage it is someone who has sex for money.Notice idolaters is right there with the supposed "sex" offenses that should be a HUGE clue the meaning of those words are not modern meanings. Pauls context is actually about "people" that lack the discernment of rightful judgement!
….as Paul Simon the "songwriter" wrote very aptly….
"All lies and jest still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest"
The fact is even in context Paul is NOT saying those in his "evil" list are going to hell.That is an extrapolation also.He said they would not be "inheriting The Kingdom Of God"…and that goes into a whole other very,very,very poor doctrine of men extrapolation.