originally posted by: grainofsand
................ I don't do the faith without evidence thing.
You are correct their is a difference between evidence and proof.In fact there is no positive "proof" of anything and that fact is believing in God
is very, very different than knowing a creator God.Belief is only through a "Belief System(which everyone has regardless of what they do or do not
believe and it is their religion).
Knowing God requires no evidence or proof because its axiomatic.The construct closest to that relationship is math.Math is not speculation or belief
it is fact of knowing what is true..1+1=2
Math is the main evidence that "testifies"of a creator God.What it won't do is provide proof.First comes belief which is the primer of the pump
however belief is not knowing..when belief is done away with then fact is known.That is the way it is "summed".
If there is a creator God there is no apparent rhyme or reason why a few (a VERY,VER VERY VERY few) were "chosen" to know the creator God.The old
and new testimony scriptures(not what is called the bible) is a testimony that testifies (calculates or fulfills) the Truth.That testimony is of ONLY
one thing.Yahoshua….which in Hebrew means Yahweh(the creator God) IS salvation(which means deliverance).Most call Yahoshua, Jesus.Yahoshua is NOT
something to be believed it is something that is and will be KNOWN (experienced).
Salvation isn't about religions belief (it is the anthesis of religion.. Belief Systems) it is about "knowing".The apostles of Yahoshua were the
only ones that "knew"because it was given to only them to know the creator God through the man Yahoshua.Christianity has it ALL wrong.They neither
believe in Yahoshua nor "know" the creator God.Christianity is a part of someone Belief System(usually the core).It is IMPOSSIBLE to know the
creator God BY belief.
Yahoshua and the apostles only proclaimed by stating what the Truth was.Yahoshua called it the Good News(gospel).The Good News is very simple (and
infinitely complex).It is the only thing Yahoshua proclaimed.He was NOT teaching religion .What he proclaimed has been twisted into the "doctrines"
of men...religion.The Good news is simply all of mankind will be delivered(saved) from the realm of death.There is no way to "know" this except by
experience and none have experienced it yet .That deliverance doesn't mean they WON'T die it means delivered from the death they WILL die.
In a nutshell Yahoshua is testified in the old (and new) testimony scriptures in a way that has nothing to do with faith.It is centered around the
central theme of the people of the nation Israel.Just a short background history.
It starts with the Hebrew Abram. He was told through a messenger(meaning of an angel) he would be the Father of many nations.When he was 99 and his
wife Sara was 90 they finally had a son Isaac. Abrams "name" was changed to Abraham which means father of many nations. Isaac eventually had twin
boys Esau and Jacob.Later after many adventures Jacob had his name changed to Israel(which means struggles with the Yahweh)He had 12 sons which are
the 12 sons of Israel.They were in birth order(yes this is germaine to my point)
This birth order is important because it determined "inheritance".There are a few "modifications,Joseph gave his inheritance to his 2 sons Manasseh
and Ephraim and Levi had no inheritance because he became the "priest" tribe(s).The "new"tribes list is the same except there is no Levi and
Manasseh and Ephraim are substituted for Joseph(patience I'm getting close to my point.).
The Israelites built a tabernacle in the wilderness and it was the "center" of their life.Inside the tabernacle was a place called the Holy of
Holies that only the high Priest Aaron(from the tribe of Levi and Moses brother) could enter.He was the "representative" of all the 12 tribes.He
wore a breastplate with 12 stones sewn into it. Each stone was symbolic of one of the 12 tribes.The stones were arranged in a 3x4 matrix in the birth
order,…..here it is from the Aaron's left to right
Here's where it gets interesting.Names are the main theme of the scriptures "testimony".A name is the nature and character of the thing or person
named.The creator God told Moses his name was "I will be what I will be" which was known as the tetragrammaton(4 letter word) YHWH which the
religious turned into Jehovah etc etc…. What is significant is a names "sum". ….what it means.That is where the testimony comes in .
The Hebrew and Greek language can be "calculated" by a system called gematria and isopsephia respectively.That means each word has a sum of it's
letters and the most significant words are "names".When the names of the 12 sons of Israel are calculated here are their sums in the matrix pattern
of the Aaron's breastplate.
These number seem to have no patterns.... but they do.They sum to 3700 which is a multiple of the unique number 37(thats a whole book!)
…and there's more.
The bottom(4th) row sums to 888
888 is divisible by 37
the 3rd row plus the first name from row #2 sum
1480 is divisible by 37
the remaining 5 numbers sum
1332 is divisible by 37
The new testimony was written in Greek.The most significant name in it is Yahoshua(which is what Jesus comes from)translated from Hebrew it is Iesous
and christ(from the Hebrew mashiach) which is christos. In Greek isopsephia Iesous and christos sums
The other significant testimony of names is in the book of Revelation..the infamous number of the beast and the number of the man both of which are
These names of the sons of Israels numbers order also have a unique pattern.By adding the "odd names (1-3-5-7-9-1) and the even names 2-4-6-8-10-12
there is another number pattern
The purpose of the old and new testimony is to testify (witness by summing) of Yahoshua the mashiach…and there it is..in simple math.It has nothing
to do with faith it is only fact.These names and numbers cannot be manufactured to create a religious agenda especially since the Jews DO NOT
subscribes to this truth nor do the Christians.They are as a whole….. completely oblivious to it.They can only believe their "religious doctrines
of men" of faith through the words whereas the math of the names is a testimony of Truth.
Israel(struggles with Yahweh) are the archetype of ALL mankind.The old and new testimony testifies of Yahoshua..Yahweh IS salvation /deliverance of
ALL of mankind from the realm of death.It is a testimony nothing more.Not a religion.Not a method. None can do anything to receive salvation(or loose
it).Yahoshua was not teaching nor did he start a new religion(nor did the apostles) man did.This math is not something to be believed as a doctrine it
testifies to a statement of the Truth..Yahoshua….That's why its the GOOD news.