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posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: hypervigilant



The idea of a fence across the southern border is at best just a silly fantasy that can't be done.


Of course it could. China built one centuries ago. This project would almost eliminate unemployment in the southern border states as well.





posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals
All of us are paying and our children will end up a minority in their own country.

Pretty unfair to those that are also paying and whose children are already a minority in their own country.



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: benrl
That, or you know, punishing those that employee illegals.


That'd close a huge gap, and address motivators, rather than patching a hole.

Id rather take the carrot away drawing people, than resort to sticks.


Yes, you can punish the employers that are hiring illegals, a good interim start. But build the fence!

In the mid-late 80's, I designed and helped build most of South Africa's lethal electrified fencing systems on the borders, military bases and their national security infrastructure and our technology has gotten much better ;-)

I was down in San Antonio, Texas examining a very specific partnership with contracting about eight months before Obama was questionably "elected." I was looking at supplying my technology for the DHS border security application which could have included the lethal fencing, ratiometric high voltage/high current analysis, plus the non-lethal capacitive signature analysis (0-10 yard fence presence warning), laser driven planar bit field mapping (100 to 300 yard early warning), time delay reflectometry systems (25 to 50 yard early warning), cameras/mics (median warning and recording) and AI based control systems. Unfortunately, Obama managed to squirm his way in and the potential for a contract to stop border breach disappeared, since that wackjob wants to legalize illegal migration.

At the time DHS and the State Department wanted a "soft solution," meaning non-lethal methodologies to secure the border. Unfortunately I find from experience that non-lethal technologies drive the maintenance and manpower costs through the roof. Soft solutions do not prevent breaches, they simply target the persons breaching, who then damage the systems, get through and they must be acquired by border/security personal, after which they are sent back to do it all over again. Call me callous, but I'd rather send a cleanup crew to fix a wire and remove the bodies, it's less expensive and there is no repeat offense from the same person(s).

For those with offended sensibilities since I do tend to advocate lethal defensive systems, my apologies, but if you walked a 1000 miles in my shoes and had seen the amount of death I have through terrorism and insurgencies, I believe your world view would somewhat change.

Cheers - Dave
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posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 02:47 PM
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There's no need to do something as complicated as building a fence. All you have to do is send a message to their President, and have their President broadcast the message on their TV, over and over, that you are not allowed to come over here illegal. If they do, then you will shoot them.

The fact is what they're doing now is an act of war, maybe not knowingly, which is why you have to make sure that they understand it. Do it now before they take over Congress, at which point, they will just veto every law restricting immigration.

And all these comments about needing illegal workers because they're willing to work low wages are as shorted-sighted as having kids so that you can get more welfare.



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 03:13 PM
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You would have to nuke all the fully Democrat states like Mass, VT, and California to make this happen avowed, socialists like Deval Patrick wont let their constituency leave. For illegals making it in Massachusetts is like winning the lottery and going to Disney world combined. Welfare, subsidized housing, in-state tuition, medical and the crown jewel of entitlements EBT totally unsupervised allowing illegals to buy expensive things like fillet mignon, lobsters, lottery tickets, cigarettes, alcohol automobiles and take vacations all on the taxpayers dime. Impossible you say...they don't positively identify these criminals before issuing the cards so the average illegal when arrested for something has 4 or more cards under different names on them. This is Deval's fault and this governor needs to be recalled but since Massachusetts is a one party state there is no one to get the job started.



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 05:23 PM
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originally posted by: np6888
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

There's no need to do something as complicated as building a fence. All you have to do is send a message to their President, and have their President broadcast the message on their TV, over and over, that you are not allowed to come over here illegal. If they do, then you will shoot them.

The fact is what they're doing now is an act of war, maybe not knowingly, which is why you have to make sure that they understand it. Do it now before they take over Congress, at which point, they will just veto every law restricting immigration.

And all these comments about needing illegal workers because they're willing to work low wages are as shorted-sighted as having kids so that you can get more welfare.


A valid suggestion, however, if it is an act of war, albeit insidious, the Mexican government will consider their requesting their people to stop about as seriously as the people hearing their message. In addition, I have experience in this area on borders, even with warnings on fences in seven different languages every 100 meters, that the fence was "death itself," they still tried to breach and got toasted in the process. Sometimes fighting fire with fire is necessary, but rather than having 50,000 a year or more breach the borders, we had maybe 700-800 try, and fail. I will admit that a couple in the 4 years got through and one day 6 came through around the fence on the Botswana side, but they were hunted down and retired near Alldays (south of the Limpopo Valley). The manpower required to chase down 50,000 plus and shoot them or send them back is a helluva lot less than the manpower to clean up 700-800 that you don't have to look for, since the system tells you where they are located.

I agree with your statement concerning the requirement for illegal workers, it is short sighted and will eventually result in an over running of congress and the senate changing the politically topography of the US, possibly resulting in its death as a nation.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 07:30 PM
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In my above post "The manpower required to chase down 50,000 plus and shoot them or send them back is a helluva lot less than the manpower to clean up 700-800 that you don't have to look for, since the system tells you where they are located." should read "The manpower required to chase down 50,000 plus and shoot them or send them back is a helluva lot more than the manpower to clean up 700-800 that you don't have to look for, since the system tells you where they are located." Duh, stupid functional error in expression on my part.

Cheers - Dave
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posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 07:34 PM
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Let's take America back for Americans


A country founded entirely by immigrants, who then carried out a 400 year old genocide on the people who did live there before them.

Funny how we get upset when it's the other way around.

That's besides the point though, I agree immigration is a huge problem. It needs to be easier to immigrate for highly skilled workers and for family members of legal citizens. A path to citizenship should be made available to the illegals here, with some kind of penalty for the years soaking up the system's money at the tax payers expense or something like that.

But yeah, using the rhetoric ' this country is for Americans' or what have you, actually hurts immigration reform.

Much like yelling death panels helped ruined healthcare.

~Tenth



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 07:56 PM
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I get the fact the US was built on immigration as well as the genocide of the Native American. Ask the NA population now if they still think allowing Europeans to immigrate into and then overrunning their country and people was in any way a good idea. I'm guessing not and it's what's happening again.

Most immigrants don't really seem to want to be American, they want to move here and bring the old country with them. Even more so with illegals, they have no respect for us at all.



But yeah, using the rhetoric ' this country is for Americans' or what have you, actually hurts immigration reform.


This country is for Americans. At this point in our history I don't want to hurt immigration reform. I want to end it, at least until this country get's it's act back together. By end it I don't just mean the reform, also would like to see all immigration frozen.



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 08:07 PM
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a reply to: Bassago


Most immigrants don't really seem to want to be American, they want to move here and bring the old country with them. Even more so with illegals, they have no respect for us at all.


I hate to say it, but Americans have no culture, at all.

The culture it does have is the result of a melting pot,comprised of the various immigrant populations, over the course of it's existence.

Now don't get me wrong, Canada has no culture either, it's a big problem in North America. Our culture revolves around ourselves. It's the culture of narcissism and egotism.

So I can see why other people from other countries would come here and try to bring their culture with them. I don't agree we should start changing the way things are done on that account, but you know what I mean.


By end it I don't just mean the reform, also would like to see all immigration frozen.


There's another problem with that. The US doesn't actually graduate students of high enough quality to fill the high paying, economy driving jobs that you need. If you'd like to solve the immigration issue, America is first going to have to reform it's education system.

There's of course a litany of other social issues tied into immigration like health care and what not. It's not as easy as just putting a moratorium on it.

~Tenth



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 08:17 PM
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And if the illegals weren't in this country doing it, then the unemployed Americans would have to be out there doing it ... earning a paycheck.

Yeah right. Like Americans are willing to go out and do hard labor for what the illegals are getting paid.



posted on Apr, 30 2014 @ 11:36 PM
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Like Americans are willing to go out and do hard labor


Stereotyping all Americans as "lazy" is the same a stereotyping all illegals as drug-runners and violent criminals. Neither is true.

What is true is the US is in a depression, not a "recession" and part of the problem is the flooded lower pay labor market by illegals. And yes, they want to bring in even more. Boy that's going to help Americans. Of course for people who do not care about Americans this isn't an issue.

Yes, agriculture will need to adapt, US citizens will need to adapt, costs and wages will eventually stabilize, probably higher. Just because we hide our poverty behind EBT cards and welfare instead of food lines doesn't mean we haven't been here before. Let's take care of ourselves before we worry about the neighbors.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 10:25 PM
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Alright I'm going to have to say it:

I told you so!


The influx of migrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border has grown so large that it now requires its own transportation system: government buses that spend each night idling on a Texas roadside, awaiting the latest arrivals.
ABCNews..


Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson dodged pointed questions Sunday about whether the tens of thousands of Central American children who have recently entered the U.S. illegally will be deported or allowed to stay.
FoxNews..


“The more likely figure is 18-20 million and rising daily,” Zack Taylor, chairman of the National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers, Inc., said in an open letter dated Sunday.
Washington Times..

So what's it going to take people? How much of America do you want to give away to people who's first action is to break and spit on our laws? This madness has to end.
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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 11:29 PM
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My Friend, Tell'm, This is Not Over, Not By A Long Shot!
This Madness is just beginning, Turn America, Blue!


Monday on Newsmax TV's "The Steve Malzberg Show," Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) said President Barack Obama has been encouraging the current flood of illegal immigrant woman and children with his executive actions in an attempt to "turn Texas Blue" and potentially 'turn America blue."
Gohmert, vice chair of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security, explained, "In the end they have said they want to turn Texas blue and they want to turn America blue. If you bring in hundreds of thousands or millions of people and give them the ability to vote" Gohmert continued "and tell them if you want to keep getting the benefits you have to go vote" adding "that drives people to vote and it would ensure republicans will never get elected again."

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Once they have their Amnesty, they can vote, Am I Not Correct,,,,,?
Who do you People think their Geared or Programmed To Vote For?
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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 11:48 PM
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Once they have their Amnesty, they can vote, Am I Not Correct,,,,,?


Apparently in 20 states they can already vote as soon as the break the law and cross the border. IMO this is the reason for Obama's and the leftist demoncrats total unconcern with securing the border. After all.. an illegal vote is still a vote for the left, right?

In the United States, voter ID laws are in place in 30 states
Wiki..

I know both parties are evil but the left is particularly loathsome.





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