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Text Duh Duh and Duh some more. I Just have a specific distaste for arrogant, delusional Christians in specific. If that helps clear things up for you.
Text so boils are as bad as murdering children and women. I fear for your state of mind.
Text So murder is okay bc we are all going to die anyway? Oh well I guess we should give murderers a free pass based on your ideals stated here.
Text To believe yourself righteous for your beliefs is arrogant. The problem is "righteous" folk loving that little title and feeling they are above those "unrighteous" heathens. You have all these little opinions but from an objective standpoint they are simply delusional. You need to save yourself from this mental prison.
originally posted by: theyknowwhoyouare
originally posted by: edmc^2
a reply to: theyknowwhoyouare
Why is it that god (christian god of the old testament) commits such evils while lucifer/satan does nothing but "tempt"? lets see a few examples of the horrible things god does and see if anyone can find something the devil did that is even on par. Isaiah 13:15-18: Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children
wow! pretty sick and twisted for a divine being!!! - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...
I'm sorry to say this but judging from your post, I think you have no idea of what you're talking about. Because if you did you should have known who is about to be destroyed here - The Babylonians!
And may I ask if you know who the Babylonians are and how they treat their prisoners and all of the nations they conquered?
If you only knew who they are. If you only knew...
So its okay to murder the children due to the fact that they were Babylonians? Would it be okay for us to murder all the Russian children because they are Russian?
You have some serious issues dude
How many gods do you think there are exactly?
in fact the God of Abraham's seed is the God of the Hebrews as well as the God of the Muslims as well as most Christians. You do realize that not all who claim Christianity have the same God?
That just means that God can't force someone to be righteous.
. . . till people learn to love all of creation His permissive will prevails.
You are obviously a Luciferian rather than a Christian, since you speak for the serpent.
God created evil but not in malice. Evil had to be shown to His creation in order for His creation to have knowledge.
IMO this is probably the closest to being right. God tests everyone, at all times. If you take the book of Job, as an a example, you have to ask the question, was God testing Job? or was God testing Satan? Take Job 2:6 after Satan puts forth a proposition for testing Job, God says "And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life." God has faith in Job, but not in Satan, God limits Satan's hand with a direct command because God cannot trust Satan. God is not testing Job, God is testing Satan.
originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: theyknowwhoyouare
Why is it that god (christian god of the old testament) commits such evils
There is a common misconception that god commits evils, when in fact there is not one instance in the entire OT where god actually does so.
Sure, his rules are sometimes hard to follow and they lead to evil, but the evil is never actually commited by god directly. It is always the humans who are the eventual instigators of their own downfall!
So, just to prove it to ya: find me any instance in the OT where God directly commits any act of evil. You cant!
Job is not actual history but is a parable about Israel, using the shortened version of Jacob, who was the original "Israel", to describe the spiritual goings-on behind the scenes of the destruction of Israel and Judea by the Assyrians and the Babylonians.
God tests everyone, at all times. If you take the book of Job, as an a example, you have to ask the question, was God testing Job? or was God testing Satan?
I think that the universe is neutral but seems evil to us as individuals who live and die, unnoticed and uncared about in the bigger scheme of its mechanical progress in building a bigger thing, whatever it is but we can't see because of the limitation of visualizing by way of photons that would take forever to take it all in.
What we seem to be experiencing is the nature of the universe (Good v Evil-Light v Dark) At a microscopically quantum level.
Aren't you "taking it seriously" just by accepting those possibilities?
It amazes me that seemingly intelligent people even take it seriously. . . .
. . . .
A programmer, a creative force, divine consciousness, whatever you want to call it.
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Cuervo
Lucifer isn't called Satan until after his fall...
...Hope that makes sense.
TextHow many gods do you think there are exactly? The god of the Abraham story brought him over across the border to be in His domain. Same thing with Moses, where his god brought the people across the Red Sea to be in His domain. This god lived on the top of a mountain and ruled whatever was within sight, similar to the gospel "devil" who tempted Jesus with his own dominion.
Text That just means that God can't force someone to be righteous. People as beings in this universe have a natural independence that even God Himself cannot violate. You make it sound as if it was a choice God made.