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God is the true DEVIL. Lucifer, not so much...

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posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: Cuervo

Great way of putting it. Yes, that's what I was trying to say in a nutshell.


Better yet, Satan is Lucifer's Tyler Durden. Opposite ends of one spectrum, Lucifer representing the light (light bearer) and Satan representing the dark.
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posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 08:58 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

I think you will find that this part of Isaiah is speaking about the End Times and as we know that hasn't come yet. Notice where Israel is mentioned in Isaiah 45:17


But Israel shall be saved by the lord with everlasting salvation; you shall not be ashamed or also disgraced for forever and ever


Obviously Israel has not had everlasting salvation because everytime they manage to become a nation, they are utterly destroyed after becoming unrighteous.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:05 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: TheSparrowSings

My thoughts exactly. Jesus rejecting Satan's offers are him denying his own ego, something we must all face at one point or another. Those who embrace the light follow in Jesus' (Lucifer's) footsteps, those who embrace the darkness follow in Satan's (ego's) footsteps.


Where does the Bible call Jesus Lucifer? If you understood the Bible you would know that Satan's ministers can and do turn themselves into being's of light. In other words they can imitate good on the external yet be putrid when it come to internal. They can make themselves look like believers yet they know they are non-believers, their job is to deceive people and push them away from Jesus.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:11 PM
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a reply to: theyknowwhoyouare


John 8:44


You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.



Satan invented the lie.

He created all that is bad on this earth.

He lied, and tried to get humans to follow him, instead of the God that created all things.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: DarknStormy

It's never explicitly stated but it is implied. Lucifer literally means the "light bearer", Jesus calls himself "the light of the world", a.k.a. the one who bears the light.

The deceiver you are talking about wrote half of the NT, his name is Paul. He may have claimed to believe in Jesus but he completely changed his message with the epistles he wrote. He is literally the anti-christ, the one who claims to speak for Jesus when in fact he only speaks for himself and his own self-interest and the interests of those over him.

He was a puppet whose strings were pulled by those in power at the time, the Romans. Funny that Paul worked for Rome before his "conversion".
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posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: theyknowwhoyouare
Why is it that god (christian god of the old testament) commits such evils while lucifer/satan does nothing but "tempt"?

lets see a few examples of the horrible things god does and see if anyone can find something the devil did that is even on par.


Isaiah 13:15-18: Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children

wow! pretty sick and twisted for a divine being!!!


2 Kings 2:23-24: The prophet Elisha, was being picked on by some young boys from the city because of his bald head. The prophet turned around and cursed them in the Lords name. Then, two female bears came out of the woods and killed forty-two of them. You would think that God could understand that sometimes the youthful make childish jokes. Calling someone “bald head” is far from being worthy of death.


Exodus 12:29: God killed, intentionally, every first-born child of every family in Egypt, simply because he was upset at the Pharaoh. And god caused the Pharaoh’s actions in the first place. Since when is it appropriate to murder children for their ruler’s forced action?

Scholars estimate this would account for tens of thousands based on the population of Egyptians that were not Jewish.

1 Kings 20:35-36: Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him.

What did God get bored or something?



Well now does anybody have any scripture showing lucifer running around committing such evils?

If so post them below.


How can you people worship such an evil entity? Obviously the threat of eternal hellfire is enough to keep you from seeing the evil your god is all about.

Kind of like how a certain dictator started committing horrid evils and the population just cosigned it. Letting a large amount of their population get sent to a dark place to be tortured and gassed. Just because they were of jewish descent and had different beliefs.



My condolences for everyone on Earth that is butt-devestated about how hardcore my God is. No one had to listen to God, humanity could have just been allowed to destroy each other and stay low with no clear victors, only oppressors, until judgement day, but no, some people had to go around being awesome and wrecking the loser disbelievers and doing what God wanted them to in order to atone for humanities pitiful situation. Now we have winners and losers instead of just losers and losers and losers oppressing the spots of righteous people wherever they popped up.

People that did the crazy hardcore stuff that God demanded helped save other people and their descendents from a lot of trouble, they brought judgement to a people whom God would have brought a more direct judgement to had they disobeyed. And then they and the people that they decided to not destroy would have been losers instead.

Disbelievers just don't understand. God is good people, God never wronged anybody, people only wronged themselves. God's just doing his job of making things right.

You mentioned God killed Egypt's firstborns, remember Egypt was the worlds major power at the time, think of all the bloodshed spared because of God stripping Egypt of power. They were sacrificing and killing thousands and thousands of people in warfare, had they continued and not gotten put down things could have gotten worse for the world.

Remember other cult-religions following other gods where people were murdering tons of infants and virgins, burning them alive and slitting their throats and drinking their blood. This is sick stuff, I'm glad people obeyed God and destroyed them. It feels good knowing that I'm the winner, feels good being the one that gets to rock and that everyone that's not down with my God is a loser, and this in particular isn't even coming from an egotistical place. Because if everyone just obeyed God and submitted to the fact that they all get theirs and theirs nothing they can do to stop it the world would be paradise already without war with everybody easy living and working together to do great things and enjoy each other and the Earth. # anyone that would get in the way of that or even dispute it, they don't deserve life and every second that they are allowed to breathe is a mercy that they should be eternally grateful for.

God it feels good being hard core.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:19 PM
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They were sacrificing and killing thousands and thousands of people in warfare, had they continued and not gotten put down things could have gotten worse for the world.


As opposed to the Israelites who did the exact same things?

What exactly did god killing Egyptians change? You see the world today? That should give you a clear answer.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:27 PM
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I really enjoy these frame jumping discussions. God..cruel and arbitrary, Jesus the light bearer, lucifer and satan, the guide out of darkness...ok ok, now let us put some c4 under that framework. Gobleki Tepi and the Hypogeum. Gobleki is older than Genesis and larger than the Ark and close to Mt Ararat. It was buried on purpose...perhaps as a message forward intending to reveal the true story behind Genesis and the Ark...
but wait there is more. The Hypogeum on Malta. A three level religious center discovered in 1902. 7000 skeletons hidden there. and skulls that could only belong to homo capensis. big brains. heads shaped like Nefrititi. key indicator: two 1/8 inch holes on the top of the skull about 2 inches apart. And of course different parietal plates than humans. All the skeletons vanish, but some skulls saved and photographed by archeologists.
take a peak into the history of the Pharaohs, and Moses. and the Diaspora. flash forward. Bibi Nettyahoo. IQ of 170. pushing war into Syria and the very last town speaking Aramaic, Jesus Christs own language (and semitic to boot) and Iran...

Martin Dempsey, US defense chief and knight of malta. recently tells Bibi, no deal. no Iran invasion by US.
Karen Hudes, World Bank whistleblower, who fingers the Vatican for harboring Homo Capensis under the mitre. Oh oh. She also sees them in the halls of the banking elite.
More C4? or is this too much._javascript:icon('
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posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Oh! Well you all know how the interwebs loves Tyler Durden.

I'd leave Lucifer out of this, Lucifer is barely mentioned in the bible, how could anyone claim to know what Lucifer is based on the what, 1 verse mentioning the term?

Whenever I see Lucifer mentioned on the web it's basically a tip that whatever I'm about to read is a bunch of complete BS.
edit on 25-4-2014 by On7a7higher7plane because: is a lucifer a person place or thing i dunno



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Lucifer means the Morning Star aka Venus. Are you saying that God and the Messiah are Venus?



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: On7a7higher7plane

Why don't you apply that same logic to the bible then? It mentions Lucifer, even if only one time, so why not believe the bible is a bunch of BS too?

Lucifer is biblical, why can't we discuss him without it being BS?



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:37 PM
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a reply to: DarknStormy

Venus is the brightest point of light in the darkness of the night sky, so why not? A bright light among the darkness of this world? Sounds like Jesus to me.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:37 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Your tone is antagonistic yet you claim to be 3nlightened.

Is this bait? If I discussed things on the trend that you directed me I could go at it all day and still get nowhere.

Egyptians were not being righteous, Moses was faithful to my God and therefor was righteous. God had chosen Israel and his seed. Now their bible is the #1 most well known book in the world and their God is mentioned on the worlds reserve currency "in God we trust". Do you understand now? How could you not? Your direction is foolish, you must be trolling me.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:38 PM
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What exactly did god killing Egyptians change? You see the world today? That should give you a clear answer.
to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1



A race of slaves were freed from the world power of the day.

God>>> Abe Lincoln


Out of those slaves, came the Messiah that will free us all.........



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

You suck! It was one verse!!! What's their to talk about?!



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:39 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: DarknStormy

Venus is the brightest point of light in the darkness of the night sky, so why not? A bright light among the darkness of this world? Sounds like Jesus to me.


But that would be idolatry because Venus didn't create the Universe and all the objects and phenomena in the Universe. Even Venus is subject to the authority of the Sun.
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posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:42 PM
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a reply to: On7a7higher7plane

My tone may seem to be antagonistic to you because it challenges your beliefs, but that does not mean I am trying to be antagonistic.



Now their bible is the #1 most well known book in the world and their God is mentioned on the worlds reserve currency "in God we trust".


Exactly.


2 Corinthians 4
4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.



1 Timothy 6
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

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posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:43 PM
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"Devil worship" is a redundant expression. Anything that is obsessively and/or compulsively beyond love, respect and, at most, admiration, and only when such good emotions are CLEARLY deserved - which would start with nothing other than PROOF of the existence of someone of the intelligently unseen - is nothing but slavery that only serves to feed the beyond-monstrous ego of the worshipped, if such a being even exists. Full-fledged worship is strictly diabolical. What lowly ignorant, ruled-by-fear, secrecy-worshiping animals too many Earth humans are.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: DarknStormy

Worshiping Jesus is idolatry in and of itself. That cross with a dead guy hanging on it at the front of the congregation? A graven image.

Christianity is actually a death worship cult because it idolized the death of a man thinking it brings life. Death does not bring life, only life brings life.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:49 PM
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Nah this is good I like your tempo.



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