I'm Flabbergasted At The Unprecedented Ignorance *Some* Members Are Displaying

a reply to: SpaceGoatFarts

I love how you automatically assume you are part of the 1-10%...
Typical..

originally posted by: mark1167
a reply to: SpaceGoatFarts

I love how you automatically assume you are part of the 1-10%...
Typical..

I love how you assume I do. Nothing in my post mentions anything about me. I think you may be assuming

Also I knew some people would get defensive about this. Yet, sorry to be so blunt but there are a lot of idiots on the net. It's a fact. And there are a lot of insane people on conspiracy boards. It's also a fact.

Hopefully, this is just the first in a LONG line of apologies for this hatchet job.

Joseph Farah of WND apologizes to Cliven Bundy

a reply to: SpaceGoatFarts

If I could give a hundred stars for your last two posts I would.

I'm encouraged that there are many who are looking at the issues critically and it is creating more than a rumble.

I follow spiracy sites to read posts that bring more to the table/some discussion is really good/but don't look for the majority to sound like anything more than babble.

I also have fun playing spot the paid shill vs arm chair clowns. Next layer of the game is spot the govt shills masquerading as ACC.

Yeah, I should prolly get a life but in this day and age a little entertainment lightens the mood and sharpens critical thinking

a reply to: ProfessorChaos

When Cliven's infamous statements first hit I thought oh god, here we go. This could blow everything. I understood where he was coming from, his age and background influencing word choices, the heart of what he was saying that prominent black leaders have been saying for decades, and that even under the guise of Fox News we are your friend, there would be an attempt to discredit him. Who even knows the' friendly' conversation that transpired prior to the on camera thing where it would be easy to point a trusting older gent to even go in the direction the interview took place. Does anyone really think Fox is about responsible journalism?

So I was bummed/bummed for the movement birthing/bummed especially for Cliven who is in a den of thieves and doesn't realize how deep the rabbit hole (he trust Alex which says it all). I mean my god, he even thought Beck was legitimate. But being the glass is half full kinda gal I looked for the positives.

Well, the positives as I see it are/before the mooching racist rancher there was hardly a mention of Bundy Ranch on the lamestream media. Most of the people we knew didn't even know anything was going on. After he was ceremoniously laid out for slaughter it is all over the news. I'm finding now if ask do you know about the Nevada ranch situation it's oh yeah, I saw something on the news.

And that is drawing lots of attention to fed land grabs that have been going on for decades. States are finding their balls. Really, if they hadn't tried to make Cliven the sacrificial cow this never would have escalated to the point it is presently.

This would be another case of a psyops that didn't pan out as intended. And frankly I think with the escalation of the feds lately and the blunders they are scrambling because they might just know more than is let on that people do have the power/just need to wake up to such which does seem to be happening regardless of the doom porn (that I think has some basis in psyops).

Oh, and ps…Cliven don't be too disappointed in Rand backing off. He is not his papa and he is just as corrupt as the lot of them. Just look at whom he endorses... NSA in a phone near you~

a reply to: benrl

Look at it with a critical eye, even if it confirms your current views, no especially if it does.

I'm not sure why, but that bit of wisdom really hit me. Thank you for that.

a reply to: JohnFisher

Because it's how you fight confirmation bias which leads to delusion. It's an excellent advice that everyone should follow.

Unfortunately most prefer to get their beliefs confirmed than to doubt.

a reply to: ProfessorChaos

Other than at a Klan rally, in what context does Budy's idiotic, racist comments hold up?

a reply to: TownCryer

oh, i don't know, how about the context of his FULL statement...instead of the carefully edited version the media keeps broadcasting?

i take it you've not seen the full statement...let me google that for you....

here's what he said BEFORE the unedited version of the video the media keeps playing



and here's the unedited version of the clip the media keeps playing



as you can see, he's not making bigoted remarks, he's making a social commentary about the absolutely lousy system we're ALL forced to live in today...it's about too much government, not enough freedom, and how it's worse for "minorities", than it is for "white" people.

i mean, seriously, if he was such a horrible bigot, why would there be black people on the ground, helping defend his ranch? if he was such a hateful person, and disliked blacks SO much, why would they stick around? why wouldn't they just leave? and why wouldn't they be talking to the media about how awful he is?

think a bit, would you?

I can honestly say that I have no idea if Bundy is a racist or not, don't know the man. If I remember correctly, MSN released a doctored version of the Zimmerman 911 call to make him appear racist. Not saying he (Bundy)is, or is not. Anyone claiming to know his true stance on race must either be a personal friend or a psyichic. If there are any of the latter on here, where were you on Sep. 10th 2001?

a reply to: ketsuko

I suppose you didn't read the court documents stating that Bundy and his wife would resist with guns if anyone came to enforce the court appointed judgments?

How about the part where Bundy told the local sheriff that he wanted the federal rangers disarmed and to have the weapons put in his truck?

The racism isn't really the big deal, but the fact that this guy doesn't like federal land management. He doesn't recognize the federal government (yet still flies the US Flag), and he is fighting all legal judgments against him with illegal threats. The racism just shows his mindset of being a cattle baron that things his rules are the ones that matter. Frankly, I'd love to see the state take over the land and then charge him fair market value for grazing, which is about 10 to 15 times what he was previously paying.

Because you don't like the laws, isn't good enough reason to stop adhering to them. You need to vote to change the laws in a civilized society. Some people are willing to spill blood to change society, but they aren't willing to do the civilized method because it either takes too long or doesn't give them the result they want. Boo hoo. I have no sympathy for Cliven Bundy and I've seen his type before. He's a relic of a bygone age where people used threats of violence to get what they want. He'll go the way of the dodo. He's not a native and has no rights to call that public land his alone. If he wants to make money off public grazing, he'll need to pay his damn bills.

a reply to: Daedalus

Whatever the rest of this moron's 'full statement' might be, the portion I heard makes ALL of his word irrelavent. He's a freeloading racist who doesn't deserve to be heard. You want to support him? Go right ahead. That's your right. It's everyone else's right to completely discount this incredibly wrong individual.

a reply to: TownCryer

lol, i guess the concept of context is lost on you....enjoy being a blind, ignorant fool...

originally posted by: TownCryer
a reply to: Daedalus

Whatever the rest of this moron's 'full statement' might be, the portion I heard makes ALL of his word irrelavent. He's a freeloading racist who doesn't deserve to be heard. You want to support him? Go right ahead. That's your right. It's everyone else's right to completely discount this incredibly wrong individual.

So the state has the right to take away your rights if you believe differently from the state approved way of thinking?

1984 much?

a reply to: Daedalus

Enjoy being on the wrong side. You're probably used to it though.

originally posted by: TownCryer
a reply to: Daedalus

Enjoy being on the wrong side. You're probably used to it though.

i'm probably wasting my time typing this, because you'll just ignore it...but frak it, i've got nothing better to do at the moment...

did you even bother reading my other post? did you bother watching the videos? it's conclusive proof that his words were edited, and used out of context to give the APPEARANCE of ethnic bigotry....is that really such a difficult concept to understand?

why be so willfully ignorant?

it's kinda like being told that the inside of a volcano is hot, and denying it, because you believe the inside of a volcano is lukewarm, despite proof to the contrary, you go on believing that the inside of a volcano is lukewarm, and telling anyone who tries to show you it's not, that they're wrong, and not as smart as you...

it's kinda sad, really....

you think that your opinion, based on lies, is fact, and you refuse to entertain even the notion that you might be wrong.....why is that?

a reply to: Daedalus

I haven't ignore your posts to me so far. I just believe that there's no context in which this man's racist words would be anything other than racist words.

a reply to: TownCryer

oh my god....

CONTEXT is what determines EVERYTHING about it.....

if i say "i love blacks, but a lot of people try to say i hate blacks", and someone edits it so that only the words "i hate blacks" make it to print, i've been quoted out of context....i'm not a bigot, but if you read the out of context edit, you'd think i was....

context is everything....without context, it's very difficult, if not impossible, to determine intent..

a reply to: Daedalus

Yeah, but he didn't say something simple like that. he went on to give his views about the 'negro' at great length. He didn't start of by saying, 'Hey everybody, listen to me as imitate an ignorant racist!". The guy's wrong. I'm not the only who feels this way. Most people who listen to this guy think the same way. You don't? That's fine. Free country.

a reply to: TownCryer

it IS a complete waste to reply to you, because you ignore anything that doesn't support your own narrow, biased views...

it's almost as if you're immune to logic, and facts...

look, i'll say it again...HE WAS QUOTED OUT OF CONTEXT, TO GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF BEING A BIGOT

it is nothing more than MSM smear, to assassinate the man's character, and turn the public against him. he also commented on mexicans, are you gonna try to assert that he hates them too? pay attention to ALL of what he said, see it for the bigger social commentary it is, and stop pretending it's something it's not.

if he really were the nasty bigot the NYT tried to paint him as, there would not be black people on the ground, defending his ranch...they wouldn't be defending him to the media, and if he hated black people, he sure as hell wouldn't want them on his ranch..

it is truly astounding that you can't see past the creatively edited NYT smear piece.