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posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by astrocreep
BTW, I believe sodomy is still illegal in KY so how can we have a class teaching tolerance for something thats against the law?



here's a search on the law in KY. not going to post it.... but it's there if you want to check it out.

www.google.com...




posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 03:23 PM
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Christian beliefs are like I keep saying.. personal belief systems that may or may not be factual. I don't pertain to christian beliefs or morals. It's these conservatives I cannot understand, they believe in freedom and liberty.. personal choice yet expect everyone to pertain to the religious ideals and morals that they do... thats not freedom and choice is it?

I think schools should just teach the basic stuff that they used too... all that other stuff the media, the parents, or even ATS can teach... leave the schools to teaching the necessary basic subjects. No bible thumping, or homosexual studies.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 03:26 PM
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On sodomy, it includes anal and oral sex, and its illegal in many states. Oral sex between consenting opposite sex adults used to be considered a type of sexual perversion and mania and basically a disease that should be cured. I don't think that the sodomy laws necessarily (and this would vay state by state) have anything to do with gay sex. Besides same sex couples can certainly do all sorts of stuff besides sodomy, so the two don't go hand in hand. Hmm, poor choice of words?


Originally posted by astrocreepIf this trainig course isn't part of the state adopted curriculum that students must meet to graduate, then it cannot be forced upon them.

The thing is that this is something that the school agreed to in exchange for not being sued or somethign for illegally preventing a student group from going to the school merely because they were gay. If they beleived that the law supported them then they'd've gone to court. It doesn't, they knew it, so they said 'ok, we will all take a lesson on tolerance' and now they are backing out.


elevatedone
I don't agree with the students having to view this

Then you should write in to the school and tell them that they should go to court, not that they should break the deal they agreed to in arbitration.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

elevatedone
I don't agree with the students having to view this

Then you should write in to the school and tell them that they should go to court, not that they should break the deal they agreed to in arbitration.



yea, maybe I should, I don't live there anymore.. so they might not care...

If I did live there, I'll guarantee you one thing, my daughter would not watch any video or read anything they would require. I wouldn't let her. I think this whole thing is ridiculous.

If the "gay" students want to meet, that's fine by me, but not on school grounds and not during school time.

That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 03:33 PM
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oh yeah.... just an FYI..

if you want more info on this subject in the Boyd County Schools,

here's a link to the local news paper... you can search the archives for all of the articles that they've done on this.


www.thedailyindependent.com...



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by LostSailor


Um... I went to Private schools also. I'll teach my kids the tolerance they need.

[edit on 29-11-2004 by LostSailor]

[edit on 29-11-2004 by LostSailor]


Well there are certainly a lot of parents that are not teaching their children anything...look at the children that are bullied to the point of killing other! It's sickening. A child needs to be taught compassion and tolerance. If I ever caught one of my kids or grandchildren bulling, or making fun of others...it would only happen that one that time, but then I taught my children that was wrong from the very beginning! When kids are not being taught anything at home....others step in like it or not, and from the looks of our teens and children, that's exactly what's happening...sad but true! I am just amazed at some of the people on here. What in the name of anything is honestly wrong with teaching children to be tolerant of people different than themselves? If it had to do with being tolerant of of a mental handicap you wouldn't mind would you? What about racial differences? Would you mind that? Is this just because it's about homosexuality!?

EDIT: And something else. I am just sick to death of the way some Christians come off with this holier than thou BS! You always skip over it when I ask you how many Christians you know, or how many that call themselves Christians, got o strip clubs, buy porn, cheat on spouses, lie about the condition of a car your trying to sell, fudge on taxes, tell lies to others.... sin is sin and you can't pick out which sin is ok and which isn't.....you just use your bible to hate.

[edit on 11/29/2004 by LadyV]



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by LadyV
Well there are certainly a lot of parents that are not teaching their children anything...look at the children that are bullied to the point of killing other! It's sickening.
[edit on 11/29/2004 by LadyV]


Children are always learning SOMETHING from their parents. They may teach them things such as tolerance but if they don't, thier children are still learning from them. Neglect, indifference, selfishness, bigotry, hatred are all taught passively to children by their parents. Those parents may not even be aware they are doing it.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Get ready for the firestorm. The ACLU is just a very cunning group of lawyers who are hell bent on using the liberties of the Constitution to destroy our culture and civilization. The vicious assault on the Boy Scouts is all the evidence anyone needs for proof, but the infamous Nazi parade through the Jewish neighborhoods of Skokie, Illinois is another good example of their perverse sense of justice.

[edit on 04/11/28 by GradyPhilpott]



exactly. the will sue the KKK for looking at a minority the wrong way and then theyll turn around a defend them citing freedom of speech. the ACLU must be destroyed!



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by RedOctober90
Christian beliefs are like I keep saying.. personal belief systems that may or may not be factual. I don't pertain to christian beliefs or morals. It's these conservatives I cannot understand, they believe in freedom and liberty.. personal choice yet expect everyone to pertain to the religious ideals and morals that they do... thats not freedom and choice is it?


They believe in the freedom and liberty of the majority... when homosexuals and or athiests (or any religion or category for that matter) become the majority then their ideals and beliefs can and will be enstated on the rest of the population.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by LostSailor


They believe in the freedom and liberty of the majority... when homosexuals and or athiests (or any religion or category for that matter) become the majority then their ideals and beliefs can and will be enstated on the rest of the population.


Yes and that's a GOOD thing!



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 04:40 PM
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It's amazing how just teaching tolerance is seen as "imposing ideas" on the "majority". Reminds me of how some shrieking pro-British-Empire reacted to Canada's Official Languages Act - which simply recognized that the government will offer services in French and English - as "forcing French down their throats".

The fact is, showing the stupid movie changes VERY LITTLE to the lives or beliefs of the kids or their parents. But it has the potential to change A LOT to the lives of those homosexuals who are profiled and sometimes beaten up.

Besides... school is a place of exposure to knowledge and ideas, not all of which everyone likes. But if you're going to grow into a better-educated person, you have to accept to be challenged and learn about things you don't necessarily like. School is meant to give you what you NEED, not what you WANT.

But maybe I'm wrong, and maybe we do need to curtail knowledge - at least the kind of unpleasant knowledge we're talking about here. Maybe we do need to impose ignorance on our kids and make them into nice little automatons spouting back to us what we want to hear from them.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 06:21 PM
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Each to their own. I don't believe in making people form ideas that align to any particular side. I was given the choice of religion, I chose Christianity, even though my family were fierce protestants (actual Orangemen in Northern Ireland). I then decided that religion wasn't for me. I made these choices, no one gave me input as to toleration.

I feel that this issue is the same. Granted, children NEED to learn things, like Maths, Reading, Writing, and other specialised subjects. But homosexual tolerance should be something that the child develops on their own using their own uinderstanding, not just copying what the teacher said.

And labeling everyone who don't like the idea of gay sex as a homophobe is being intolerant in it self. I don't like the idea of gay sex, but I'm not a homophobe. I'm not scared of gay people (homophobe meaning someone with a FEAR of homosexuality). Hell, I don't like Pumpkin - does that make me a pumpkinphobe?



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 09:58 PM
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You know gays always throw out that some animals are gay(still to be proved). They also claim that the "gene" that causes someone to be gay will be fond and prove it is normal.


One question, would a person that has a genetic disease be considered normal? Cystic Fibrosis for one, a very sad disease that cause undo pain and suffering but it is the gene that causes the ABNORMALITY.

I am not saying there is such a gene and I personally think that it is a choice one makes.

Bisexuals - Bad genes or sinners? What do they turn the gene on and off at will?



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by LadyV
Well there are certainly a lot of parents that are not teaching their children anything...look at the children that are bullied to the point of killing other! It's sickening. A child needs to be taught compassion and tolerance. If I ever caught one of my kids or grandchildren bulling, or making fun of others...it would only happen that one that time, but then I taught my children that was wrong from the very beginning!



I had to come back for this...

Hell I don't know, assault on American principles. Understand that people unfortunately have the right to think things I loath, and you my dear are one who thinks in a way adverse to me.

Last time I checked, we didn't regulate how we think, what we can say, and what we put into our children. It's also obvious that all of these "bad parents" haven't had their kids taken away yet, but it's such a huge problem, that I bet they will some day, right?

Come on, think a minute. Some parents teach their kids things you don't like, yet want to scold others for wanting you to do what they want.

Again, why is it so damaging to have the parents decide controversial things? We'd like America back please.


When kids are not being taught anything at home....others step in like it or not, and from the looks of our teens and children, that's exactly what's happening...sad but true! I am just amazed at some of the people on here. What in the name of anything is honestly wrong with teaching children to be tolerant of people different than themselves? If it had to do with being tolerant of of a mental handicap you wouldn't mind would you? What about racial differences? Would you mind that? Is this just because it's about homosexuality!?


Does it really affect you if people do have a problem with it? Personally I do not endorse those things (meaning the non-tolerance), but the method might be in question.

Also, is it really the job of the school? I don't think so, and that is certainly one thing taking away from the education the school is supposed to give. Public schools are failures, so their teaching merit is declining despite money or no money.


EDIT: And something else. I am just sick to death of the way some Christians come off with this holier than thou BS! You always skip over it when I ask you how many Christians you know, or how many that call themselves Christians, got o strip clubs, buy porn, cheat on spouses, lie about the condition of a car your trying to sell, fudge on taxes, tell lies to others.... sin is sin and you can't pick out which sin is ok and which isn't.....you just use your bible to hate.



Some do, but some always will. That's the brilliance of America. Great ideas are born, but bad ones are seem to come as well. What way do you want, values taught the way you see it? That's just as silly as having a religious based government or public school system (which would be BAD, and we all know it).

As for the Christians, sure people make mistakes and do bad things. We all do. And I agree that there are people who use Christianity for evil, but such is the way of man made groups/buildings/inventions/governments/etc.

Please don't lump us all in, it seems to be a recent and ugly development. It certainly doesn't do your side any favors.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by edsinger



One question, would a person that has a genetic disease be considered normal? Cystic Fibrosis for one, a very sad disease that cause undo pain and suffering but it is the gene that causes the ABNORMALITY.



Are you saying people with Cystic Fibrosis should not be given the same rights as healthy people? Cruel.

Physician, heal thyself.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by jupiter869

Originally posted by edsinger
One question, would a person that has a genetic disease be considered normal? Cystic Fibrosis for one, a very sad disease that cause undo pain and suffering but it is the gene that causes the ABNORMALITY.


Are you saying people with Cystic Fibrosis should not be given the same rights as healthy people? Cruel.Physician, heal thyself.


What? Oh man did you drop that one, you dropped it so bad I will not even bother to try to explain it.

That's sick.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by LadyV

Well there are certainly a lot of parents that are not teaching their children anything...look at the children that are bullied to the point of killing other! It's sickening. A child needs to be taught compassion and tolerance. If I ever caught one of my kids or grandchildren bulling, or making fun of others...it would only happen that one that time, but then I taught my children that was wrong from the very beginning! When kids are not being taught anything at home....others step in like it or not, and from the looks of our teens and children, that's exactly what's happening...sad but true! I am just amazed at some of the people on here. What in the name of anything is honestly wrong with teaching children to be tolerant of people different than themselves? If it had to do with being tolerant of of a mental handicap you wouldn't mind would you? What about racial differences? Would you mind that? Is this just because it's about homosexuality!?

EDIT: And something else. I am just sick to death of the way some Christians come off with this holier than thou BS! You always skip over it when I ask you how many Christians you know, or how many that call themselves Christians, got o strip clubs, buy porn, cheat on spouses, lie about the condition of a car your trying to sell, fudge on taxes, tell lies to others.... sin is sin and you can't pick out which sin is ok and which isn't.....you just use your bible to hate.


look.. LadyV... I know we have our differences on politics and such... But I'm still going to back up my assertion that these "values" should be tought by the parents... not the "public" schools... Why should these tolerance values be tought over religious values? What really makes them different form each other? They are on opposite sides of the spectum... One is the close minded side,,, and the other the open minded side... as meany here would like to put it.

I really shouldn't be writing this ATM because I'm drunk off my gord...
but you have to ask yourself these questions.

There are private schools that teach religious morals... Public schools that are supposed to be moderate... and... why aren't there private schools that teach other side of the specctrum?

If this is the case then there should be.... right?

Public government schools are struggling to teach the basics.... should they be also teaching tolerance? and not religion?

I have to get some sleep.......................

Peace?



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 12:41 AM
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Teaching kids to not disrepect and/or treat those different from themselves in mean, cruel, and potentially violent ways is common sense,
BUT
this is NOT the same as teaching them that the differance is to be tolorated.

It is certantly NOT the same thing as teaching this institutionally (meaning from the courts or government entity, which public schools are a wing of)

One might look with pity or compassion to someone with a drug addiction, but that does NOT mean that you condone the act of substance abuse.

One might give a homeless person a handout,
BUT
that doesnt condone becomming a bum.

One can say, its not ok to pick on gays,
BUT
it doesnt mean that the gay lifestyle is condoned or promoted.



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 12:56 AM
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You know what I find puzzling? How obsessive some Christian extremists get over homosexual sex. Some of them spend a great deal of time on the issue. These people are passionate for their "noble" cause to promote intolerance against gays. They search the Bible like rabid dogs for the perfect verse to back up their claims. LOL...then they get mad when no one feels sorry for them.

It's beyond pathetic.


[edit on 11/30/2004 by Lecky]



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 01:21 AM
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Lecky,
You seem as obsessed and rabid to bash a religious ideology (which is not the sole reason people oppose gay issues) as you claim they are to bash gays.

Tolorance starts at home...Practice what you preach.

(i prefer to leave religious judgmentalism OUT of my stance against gay issues, if i walk into church, im lible to burst into flames...so get off the religious evil kick....some of us saying NO to gay issues dont practice a religion at all.)

[edit on 30-11-2004 by CazMedia]



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