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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: jimmyx
or!!!!!!!!!.....trash and litter is the concern. sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one.
Don't be silly. If that was the reason for implementing these stupid rules, the administrators would have said as much. Instead, they said this:
“It’s not about your rights in this case, it’s about the University policy that you can’t approach people,” said Ellen Kusano, director of Student Affairs, according to the complaint.
Which as I just pointed out in my previous post is a violation of the 9th amendment.
originally posted by: lonegurkha
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
The biggest travesty of this whole debacle is that the only recourse these two students have (which they are pursuing) is a lawsuit. In the end, when they win this case (at least that is what I hope and should happen), it isn't the administrators that will suffer from this, but the taxpayers will since this is a public university. They will have to pay for the unconstitutional practices of the college.
The cost of this lawsuit should be passed along to the administrators who where responsible for the unconstitutional policy that they had implimented.If they don't win this case then there will be proof that the Constitution is no longer in force.Should that happen then we can be sure that the power mongers in government have won and we are all now slaves.
I find the whole situation disgusting. The restricting of the god given rights of a person as set forth in the constitution should not be tolerated.Those rights are naturally occuring and were aknowleged in the constitution,not given by it.The specific wording even aknowleges that there are more rights then those listed in the document itself.
originally posted by: mugger
The cost of this lawsuit should be passed along to the administrators. Take it from their pensions and you will see this nonsense stop real fast.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Two students are suing the University of Hawaii for violating their First Amendment rights after administrator prevented them from distributing copies of the U.S. Constitution — demonstrating a frightening lack of knowledge about the very legal document they were attempting to censor.
ANOTHER university stops students from handing out Constitution
I searched for this and didn't see it posted.
Here we go again. Two students are suing the University of Hawaii for handing out CONSTITUTIONS! Since when was the Constitution a no-no document to educate people with?
The students were told that they could only distribute literature from within UH-Hilo’s “free speech zone,” a small, muddy, frequently-flooded area on the edge of campus.
Administrators further clarified their level of respect for students’ free speech rights, making comments like, “This isn’t really the ’60s anymore,” and “people can’t really protest like that anymore,” according to the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education.
Seriously the more you read of this story the worse it is. Free speech zones? What the heck? And that comment by the administrators talking about protest, that is some straight up bs. First, in the FRICKING Constitution that they are banning from distributing it says we have the right to protest anywhere we want. The decade we are in is irrelevant. This college is literally stripping the rights of the students and their free speech. Good on them for suing the school, I hope they win.
From the Fox News article:
The lawsuit also challenges a separate policy that reportedly requires students to request permission seven working days prior to engaging in "expressive activity" in two designated areas located in the central part of campus
You don't schedule your protest or expressive activity for when it is convenient. That defeats the purpose. The whole POINT of the protest is to inconvenience passerbys so that they learn about the cause being demonstrated about. WOW!
“The First Amendment is not optional at public colleges—it’s the law. Enforcing restrictive ‘free speech zone’ policies that prevent students from passing out copies of the Constitution is impossible to justify," Lukianoff said in a statement.
What is it with public colleges preventing their students from handing out the Constitution? Have these schools ever heard of the First Amendment?
In fact, the UH Hilo lawsuit is only the latest of dozens filed against campus speech codes since the 1980s. Virtually all of these lawsuits have been successful, yet 59 percent of our nation's universities maintain what FIRE deems "red light" speech codes -- that is, the kind of speech codes that are always defeated when challenged in the court of law.
So-called "free speech zones" have proven unusually hardy, despite the fact that they are generally mocked in the court of public opinion and unsuccessful in court. [...]
Defenders of free speech zones -- what few there are -- will argue that First Amendment law allows for public campuses to restrict speech as long as the policy is viewpoint neutral and limited to what are known as "reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions." It doesn't take a First Amendment expert, however, to know that there's nothing reasonable about declaring 99.7 percent of a public college campus closed to free speech and telling students that they cannot hand out copies of the Constitution.
I'm often asked how such highly restrictive policies came to be entrenched at institutions that are supposed to venerate and support freedom of speech. [...]
Students should be angry that so much of their increasingly astronomical tuition is going to the swelling ranks of administrators who promulgate speech codes and require that basic expression be limited to tiny out-of-the-way free speech zones.
Campus speech codes are a national scandal. Be sure to check out if your college or alma mater has one. As the students in Hawaii today have demonstrated, there is no need to accept campus speech restrictions as the new normal.
originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
I don't know what the policies were at my college when I went, but people handed out literature and there were protests like legalizing Mary Jane and performance stuff going on. I've met Hara Krishnas, Christians, and liberals on campus and always liked all the different points of view.
The colleges and universities should embrace freedom of expression and the free exchange of information and ideas because that is what they are all about, at least they used to be.
originally posted by: rickynews
The truth is that these type of left-wing liberal universities do Not want impressionable college students, nor the general population for that matter, to know, or even become aware, of American citizens rights bestowed upon them by Our Creator, and enshrined by America's founding fathers in the U.S. Constitution, as well as the U.S. Declaration of Independence.
originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Those same administrators were probably out protesting back in the sixties, and now that they are in charge, they don't like the idea of some one else using their own tactics against them. Especially when it comes to that pesky Constitution.