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originally posted by: sparrowstail
D) Yeah..... about SETI? I agree with Stanton Friedman. Just a front.
Absence of proof is not proof of absence.
originally posted by: AlienView
Ectoplasm8 will not accept this and claim it 'proves' noting:
Scientists confirm: Extraterrestrial Genes in Human DNA
Further visible indications of apparent Extraterrestrial contact in Human DNA
The existence of diverse ethno-racial communities of humanity on Earth, perhaps, provides a further visible appearance of extraterrestrial (E.T.) 'genetic communities'. African tribes, including the Dogon, notably, cite evidence of having origins from races of "supernatural creatures that came down from the sky."
If the hard-line debunkers were to take the view: yes there is something going on that is strange and apparently intelligently controlled but not necessarily alien, then i might listen to them
True. Even what "appears" to be intelligently controlled is in dispute. One of the most flagged threads on ATS (651 flags) got that many flags because so many people think the spheres are intelligently controlled, when it's obvious to me that they are just balloons blowing in the wind:
originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
Bottom line is that "intelligently controlled" has to be shown. So far all we have is something that only "appears" intelligently controlled. When that something becomes "IS intelligently controlled", then I might listen.
originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: Arbitrageur
Yeah, its one of those UFO facts that's thrown around as if its a given. There could be intelligently controlled things flying around but nobody wants to put the time in to figure out what that means. People really like to project human traits onto everything. So how DO you distinguish a balloon blowing in the wind from an intelligently controlled orb?
Are you serious? Apparent craft making right angle turns at high speeds - chased by high speed jets that they easily speed away from - impossible to shoot down when attempted. etc., etc. Sure balloons full of hot air, yes that is a hot air argument.
Lots of claims of this but I've never seen one video of it.
originally posted by: AlienView
Are you serious? Apparent craft making right angle turns at high speeds
Yes, this was Captain Mantell apparently thought when he died chasing a balloon. I'm sure he wouldn't have given his life in "pursuit" if he realized it was just a balloon, but people are easily fooled, more easily than most of us like to admit, but just look at any collection of optical illusions, which is really a collection of ways showing how easily our senses are fooled.
chased by high speed jets that they easily speed away from -
originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
You take the "thousands" of claimed sightings (MUFON for ex.)- Have every one of them video'd/photographed- Have each video/photo looked at objectively- A high majority will be identified i.e. balloons, birds, satellites, meteors, .... Evidence of that is the frequency of it being done on this message board. Unfortunately, 80%-90% don't have videos/photos to look at and get placed in the UFO file. Then, it turns into the more glommed together thousands of "evidence" of aliens being on Earth.
I'll ask again... Physical Earthbound events... Crashes, landings, interactions, abductions... These are your own claims. Post your personal best irrefutable physical evidence cases of each.
originally posted by: libertytoall
The best possible explanation to me is that we live inside a computer code based universe.
The universe is alive with it's own consciousness.
Recognize that you have been, and we do not need to tell you this, looking to the stars for many years.
Some of your scientiﬁc "revelations" have come from such an activity. At this point in your science of
astronomy you are still relatively restricted, as you know, in your ability to pierce the veil of the
atmosphere of your planet. And, in many ways, some of the gravitic tensor dynamic ﬁelds, which allow
light to be obscured, or bent, and some of the ideas of energy ﬁelds, which we will discuss in “Template
Meta-Physics,” that you have yet to discover, or may be just beginning to realize are there, also play a
part in your understanding or limitation of understanding of what you perceive through your optical and
One of the ideas, speciﬁcally, that you have been addressing of late, is the concept of whether or not
there are other "intelligences" living on other planets. You have created for yourselves many ways to
attempt to perceive whether or not there is communication from these other civilizations. What you term
to be radio telescope being the primary application for this endeavor. Allow me to say, it is at this time
unlikely that you will receive anything from any nearby civilization through radio communication.
There have been a few civilizations nearby that did begin their communication history electronically, as
you say, with the idea you call radio; but the nearest one ended its radio communication sometime
before you began yours, and in this way, their radio signals have long since passed your planet as they
radiated outward. Recognize also, many civilizations do not use radio and never have, even though this
may astonish you, because you feel that radio noise, as you say, is a natural occurrence in the universe.
The great degree of separation in your particular history has not allowed you to recognize the
communication that can occur from mind to mind, and for many civilizations, technological
communication never comes into existence at all, or if it does, many times it is carried in the form you
call cables, or highly focused beams of energy which do not radiate outward. So, to you, their
civilizations will always be silent.
Many of the methodologies utilized will take advantage of the idea you call a hyper-space phenomenon,
simply originating at the point where the communication is sent and arriving at the point where it is
received, without appearing to travel any intervening distance in what you term to be three-dimensional
physical space. Therefore, you may be listening for quite some time to radio frequencies before you will
hear anything. Allow me to say, there probably will be physical contact between our civilizations long
before you will hear anything on your radio telescopes.
Science, in general, upon your planet does represent, in a sense, the closest approach to the idea of
integration, of understanding your relationship to the idea of yourself as All That Is, and this is why
3your physics, particularly the branch you call quantum mechanics, has begun to allow you to perceive
the connection of your consciousness to the universe. But still, many times, science feels it needs to
create proofs that exclude the ideas of faith and belief.
Now, understand that with regard to metaphysics, this idea of requiring physiological proof will never,
in those terms, be able to glean an acceptable proof from the area you call psychic phenomena until it is
understood that your deﬁnitions of that discipline are, in your terms, biased by what you think they