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HOAX EXPOSED: Full Clip of Bundy’s Non-Racist, Pro-Black, Pro-Mexican, Anti-Government Remarks Vs.

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posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: Secret009

While I agree about the drudge report crack , I mean come on this is an anti disinformation forum. Who post " hoax!" When in both videos he posts the same thing.....


That said I don't think he's a racist. Just an uneducated old man. Who probubally couldn't afford the grazing fees ( that he rightfully owed) but didn't wanna lose his cattle herd.

If you noticed he just spouted the same right wing talking points that he hears on Fox News and from the anti government
Right wingers who came to his rescue. I bet others have said the same thing in there strategy sessions and everyone there agreed. I think bundy thought he was telling his fans what they wanted to hear. Only the mainstream of his fans are not the crazy militia people who made the trip to his ranch.


I know I'm beating a dead horse but fair is fair both ways.

Just because you tell a racist joke doesn't make you a racist.... But just because your not racist doesn't mean your joke wasn't.




posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 10:33 PM
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originally posted by: cenpuppie
a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

Excatly my man, and that is what I was saying,in addition to commenting on his intelligence. Is he racist? I don't know but he is ignorant.



Agreed. Ignorant he is. He is certainly entitled to his opinions, whatever they are, and has every right to express them. However, people really shouldn't be surprised or outraged from the backlash, since free speech works both ways. And Bundy is the one derailing his own cause here. The original issue had zero to do with race. He's the one who brought a total red herring into the whole thing. he should have just kept the whole focus on the feds and their shady behavior, and he'd have no problems.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 11:01 PM
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The biggest problem ranchers have with him is that he is making an issue of not paying his grazing fees. For those that grew up in ranching families and understand the economics of grazing commercial cattle on public lands they hate it when the rates paid get press exposure.

Grazing is essential and lets a rancher raise more cattle than his land alone would allow. The rates paid are extremely reasonable - not that you will get many to admit that in writing lol.

A bigger issue than him NOT paying his grazing fees is the exposure grazing fees are getting.

Ranchers hate that.

(And make no mistake about it, Bundy is 100% about not paying his bill. Period. )



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 11:11 PM
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originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: pointr97

Except that slavery then was brutal imprisonment by whites who seen them as animals, property. Theirs to abuse, torture, exploit and even kill.

If they are slaves now then they are their own masters. They have freedom and opportunity... No one is going to beat them down if they use that freedom as they wish.




...Except that the brutal imprisonment of blacks still continues to this very day:

colorlines.com...

I don't agree with Bundy's choice of words, but the underlying sentiment is very much correct.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 11:12 PM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: phishfriar47


I'm from the camp who doesn't think he's racist. Just a well meaning hick who has been buying into the Fox News crowd. I think he got all hyped up from the right wing propaganda meetings they were having and thought he was telling people what they wanted to hear. It really is sad, he's a nice ole hick not at all trained to be in the national spot light.


However what he said was racist and untrue.

If you tell a racist joke that doesn't make you a racist. But even if your not a racist the joke was. So it's worth apologizing for.


I can't believe you think African Americans were better off in chains then on welfare. And no welfare isn't at all compare able to being in chains.









i'm sure he spends hours in front of the tv everyday watching fox news, you know
in between watching his cattle trample dry turtles and eating your grass.

some people just won't give up the race card. it's so obvious.

bundy is not much older than me, i seen the struggles of the civil rights movement since day one.

i heard what he said and i understand what he was saying. easy.
cotton picking was a skill, lol! try it! so was every other job the "slaves" performed. that's what he was referring to.
skills have been going downhill, for everyone, to be honest.

anyway, slaves were an asset, expensive ones too. the horror stories we all know are just that. the worst of it.
hell, we have people being prosecuted for murder and abuse right here in HK against their domestic helpers!
we have 2, btw. for 30yrs!

what good is a damaged/crippled and unhappy worker, slave or not?
"toby be a good boy, boss, don't cut off my other foot."

i remember when "roots" was big, it was on even in bars.
the slave trade was started by their own people and arabs. where the heck do you think everyone got them?

i've seen prejudice and bigotry, from all races, been approached by the KKK in texas in the 80's. lol. been called names by others because i was "white".

bundy was not being racist, in wording or intent.

i speak excellent chinglish! HEY! does that make me racist? my wife is chinese. sorry, never dated a black woman.
didn't know too many and they were married, but one of my best friends in st.louis was a gay black guy. lol! funny bastard.
love ya johnny!

anyway, i read this whole thread before this post. i have to shake my head at some of you people.

biden said the GOP wants to put "ya'll" back in chains. didn't he? the VP said that.

this bruhaha is just bs.

and i really don't need a disclaimer that i don't condone slavery. geeze.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 11:17 PM
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doesn't sound any different then the lies the U$ federal government has thrown out there before any war they ever lied to start
which is all of them
up to and including the upcoming world war three



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 11:21 PM
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originally posted by: Secret009
When did ATS become the #ing drudge report? This man STOLE from the American people. It's not even that he's basically a welfare farmer, he would be one if he PAID those subsidized fines. Not paying them makes him a THIEF.

Furthermore, watching both videos, I'm 100% positive this man is a racist. If you don't agree, you might be racist yourself. "The negro"? Come on man, it's 2014. This is even vile enough that FOX NEWS had to gag themselves! It's EMBARRASSING to any of his supporters, as we have seen. There just isn't coming back from this, it is too deplorable to tolerate. He might as well have called them *iggers.


hey, talk to the irs people that got a friggin bonus even tho they owed back taxes, or charlie rangle.

and the first to shout racist is probably the racist.

how old are you? you don't remember when negro was accepted? then they started changing what they were called? colored?

i got flak for calling a black gal, "sista" in a friendly way.
brothers meant black or whatever they were calling themselves.

i stopped at black. screw the pc. i don't play games.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 11:25 PM
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a reply to: Destinyone

You are the one that brought the Harry Reid reply, go back and look at your post and really give me something that is germane to Bundy, you seem to be stuck in that place, not me, you are the one that had to go out of their way in the thread to find a Black, who unfortunately someone seems to think is educated giving his opinion but honestly that is not the majority opinion in this matter especially when you start talking about picking cotton and his other slick talk that most people like him let come out of their mouths, it is obscured but he used the word ni**er not negro it such bad quality audio and his speech is somewhat slured but he removed all doubt with his Martin Luther King swipe, the people on this thread that seem to think whatever he said is not racist you probably will never get it, and I suspect you are the problem also and not a solution to prop Bundy up as a righteous mouthpiece when he is a hypocrite, go back and read my posts, they hurt and truth hurts but so be it.
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posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 11:31 PM
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originally posted by: tsingtao

originally posted by: Secret009
When did ATS become the #ing drudge report? This man STOLE from the American people. It's not even that he's basically a welfare farmer, he would be one if he PAID those subsidized fines. Not paying them makes him a THIEF.

Furthermore, watching both videos, I'm 100% positive this man is a racist. If you don't agree, you might be racist yourself. "The negro"? Come on man, it's 2014. This is even vile enough that FOX NEWS had to gag themselves! It's EMBARRASSING to any of his supporters, as we have seen. There just isn't coming back from this, it is too deplorable to tolerate. He might as well have called them *iggers.


hey, talk to the irs people that got a friggin bonus even tho they owed back taxes, or charlie rangle.

and the first to shout racist is probably the racist.

how old are you? you don't remember when negro was accepted? then they started changing what they were called? colored?

i got flak for calling a black gal, "sista" in a friendly way.
brothers meant black or whatever they were calling themselves.

i stopped at black. screw the pc. i don't play games.


They are BOTH wrong. Both examples you give are people stealing from the rest of us. Dont get lost in what the terminology of how this rancher speaks. That is a totally separate issue that some people may want to get into.

Bundy is grazing his cattle on public land - Your land - and not paying the agreed to going rate.

The rest is just noise.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 11:34 PM
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originally posted by: Secret009
When did ATS become the #ing drudge report? This man STOLE from the American people. It's not even that he's basically a welfare farmer, he would be one if he PAID those subsidized fines. Not paying them makes him a THIEF.

Furthermore, watching both videos, I'm 100% positive this man is a racist. If you don't agree, you might be racist yourself. "The negro"? Come on man, it's 2014. This is even vile enough that FOX NEWS had to gag themselves! It's EMBARRASSING to any of his supporters, as we have seen. There just isn't coming back from this, it is too deplorable to tolerate. He might as well have called them *iggers.


Obviously, Mr. Bundy didn't get the memo about the words being equivalent. His dictionary probably reads the same as mine: Negro--a member of the darkest-skinned, or black, race. It has no negative connotation as it is the commonly-accepted name used in science for the race.
Have you no idea of the range of diverse cultures present in our country? Is your sole view of US culture the one presented to you by advertisers? You need to get out of the house more and talk with people in real life. Listen to people in real life. Really listen. Hear what they are concerned about.
Look inside yourself and find the source of such anger. What has angered you? Something a man in Nevada said to a few folks at a party he threw for his supporters. He has turned you into a sputtering, frothing intolerant person. Those who seek to divide us have done their job well with you. Rather than appeal to your logical mind, they've gone straight for the emotional values and nothing brings forth emotions quicker than the cry of "racists!"
If indeed, Mr. Bundy wants to be a racist, he has every right to be one---just like all the rappers have a right to rap about being black separatists and killing white people and cops. It's the beauty and the mystery of the United States---we're all different and most of us are just looking to get along.



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 11:36 PM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: dfens

He didn't make a joke in a bar or talk about a specific person... He had a press conference and lumped all "negros "into the same pile. His comments art like the definition of racism.... And right wing talking points.




The point to all this bickering is....

That it is NOT against the law, the last I remember, to be 'Politically Incorrect'
Nor is it against the law to be a bigot/racist -- for those that think that way towards Bundy

So do we really care what he said or how he said it?
Why are we pandering to the MSM and their race bait?

They are focusing more on his extremely short video than on the actual land grab that the US government is doing to many Americans, not just him
He is just one of the few fighting the US Gov.


The Federal Gov. owns 87% of land in Nevada...
Gee, any one wonder how they got that much land over the years????[/sarcasm]
I'm sure the Native American Indians could share a story or 2



posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 11:45 PM
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What dictionary is that? Merriam Webster seems to understand the word a little different , me I am not offended by Negro as easily others might be though, especially if it is coming from an 80 or 90 year old person, he even used colored, I've heard older people that were probably around in the 40's that are not white using Negro but not really meaning anything derogatory.
Anyhow the dictionary I read does seem to caution that the word is sometimes offensive so you are not fully correct if you want to use a dictionary to validate the word as not being offensive.
Sometimes offensive according to Merriam Websters dictionary
Ne·gro
noun ˈnē-(ˌ)grō (Medical Dictionary)
plural Negroes
Medical Definition of NEGRO
sometimes offensive : a member of a race of humankind native to Africa and classified according to physical features (as dark skin pigmentation)
—Negro adjective, sometimes offensive
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posted on Apr, 25 2014 @ 11:50 PM
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a reply to: snarky412

I am part native American too so I would also want to know that, at least you seem to understand an even bigger problem, than many, but I think the gist of it, especially for me , I knew that as soon as he started in on people getting welfare, I knew that he receives farm subsidies, which to me, if you receive a penny of subsidy money it does not matter you are getting public assistance, you are benefiting from a social program, so to use a cliche, the pot calling the kettle black is just low in taste and the truly educated people don't buy that bitter potion he is trying to sell, nor would they attempt to even defend it.
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posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 12:00 AM
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originally posted by: phinubian
What dictionary is that? Merriam Webster seems to understand the word a little different , me I am not offended by Negro as easily others might be though, especially if it is coming from an 80 or 90 year old person, he even used colored, I've heard older people that were probably around in 40's that are not white using Negro but not really meaning anything derogatory.
Anyhow the dictionary I read does seem to caution that the word is sometimes offensive so you are not fully correct if you want to use a dictionary to validate the word as not being offensive.
Sometimes offensive according to Merriam Websters dictionary
Ne·gro
noun ˈnē-(ˌ)grō (Medical Dictionary)
plural Negroes
Medical Definition of NEGRO
sometimes offensive : a member of a race of humankind native to Africa and classified according to physical features (as dark skin pigmentation)
—Negro adjective, sometimes offensive


You should get your pitchfork and torch and go after the United Negro College Fund.

Self righteous indignation is a terrible thing to waste.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 12:06 AM
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a reply to: Deny Arrogance
Good one, like I said I am not as easily offended, the saddest is that most of the people that I know that people think are black are usually 1/4 to 1/2 every other gene than Africa, but here is the thing, the chessboard has two colors, and that is the game that is in play, we all know that there is so much more than Black and white but some are forced to choose a square and be categorized unfortunately by the closest pigment, I have said this before this thread, that is the only thing I can agree with based on the video posted, I just think that the old thinking and stereotyping that people continue to partake in keeps the fuel on the fire of divisiveness, I would really like to know if this fool offered up his comments or did some reporter ask him to set him up.

Most people that are already in the fire usually do not help to pour gasoline on themselves, but if he did he confirms his ignorance at least to me.

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posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 12:06 AM
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a reply to: Leonidas

If he pays taxes, then isn't those 'public/federal/state lands' his as well as the rest of the communities? Does his cows not poo? They fertilize the lands. does he get paid for freely fertilizing the land? Should not these actions both cancel each other out in fees? Does the cows grazing and freely traveling about a cost or more importantly an injury to anyone? Is there some federal park ranger picking up cow poo because of it? Do they take money from the federal gardeners for not allowing them to mow the land? The cows taking their jobs? I don't see why anyone has to pay unless they're using someone's private lands. It's as absurd as paying toll roads. How can one peacefully assemble if one can not freely travel in one's own country? You might say, "The roads need repairing and what not though," but I'll gladly wager that many of us in the US in different cities know certain roads that have yet to be fixed in years! Although the same roads, that aren't even broken, keep being 'repaired'. Do you not see the ponzi schemes going on? The governments are supposed to represent the people and obviously do what's best for them. That's what this country is supposed to be a Republic(not republican, there's a difference, sadly I have to point this out to people on this site)! What we have today is far from it.



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 12:13 AM
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originally posted by: qwerty12345
a reply to: Leonidas

If he pays taxes, then isn't those 'public/federal/state lands' his as well as the rest of the communities? Does his cows not poo? They fertilize the lands. does he get paid for freely fertilizing the land? Should not these actions both cancel each other out in fees? Does the cows grazing and freely traveling about a cost or more importantly an injury to anyone? Is there some federal park ranger picking up cow poo because of it? Do they take money from the federal gardeners for not allowing them to mow the land? The cows taking their jobs? I don't see why anyone has to pay unless they're using someone's private lands. It's as absurd as paying toll roads. How can one peacefully assemble if one can not freely travel in one's own country? You might say, "The roads need repairing and what not though," but I'll gladly wager that many of us in the US in different cities know certain roads that have yet to be fixed in years! Although the same roads, that aren't even broken, keep being 'repaired'. Do you not see the ponzi schemes going on? The governments are supposed to represent the people and obviously do what's best for them. That's what this country is supposed to be a Republic(not republican, there's a difference, sadly I have to point this out to people on this site)! What we have today is far from it.


Ranchers pay fees to graze their cattle on public land. They use that feed to enhance the value of their commercial herd.

All ranchers that graze on public land agree to pay for the use of that land.

Bundy is not paying his bills. Period.

The fact that a number of different groups have co-opted his public fight and have their own agendas has nothing to do with him not paying his bills.. Listen, no ranchers are fans of the BLM or the Federal or State agencies.

As with all things, follow the money. He is raising his cattle on public land and not paying his bills. Period.

That is all it is about with him



posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 12:25 AM
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my point is why do you reach for tokens ?


Whoa...watch it there
That could be interpreted as a racist remark, regarding Des post

"tokens" referring to what, black people?? tsk*tsk
*shakes head*


And another racist comment

Are you able to defend this idiot without finding token endorsements?



Does the word 'hypocrite' ring a bell????
Might want to sweep around your own back porch before lecturing others



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posted on Apr, 26 2014 @ 02:50 AM
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Wow Man..I find it sad the mental gymnastics/pretzel twisting logic many are using to defend this racist land squatter..Is this ATS,or stormfront?..Their is no "hoax" ,and the squatter in chief wasn't taken out of context..



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