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11 Songs of Torture by CIA

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posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 05:25 PM
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a reply to: Indigent

Ask a man who was a guest of the Hanoi Hilton or the prison outside Kandahar. See if they'd consider that torture vs. what they know or knew as daily life in the hell of captivity.

I wouldn't suggest the U.S. hasn't tortured people. We have. I have no question whatever in my mind about that point. How many and whether they'll ever be found to be identified at all, is a whole different question..and kidding I'm not for how I think of this area of the wars.

I think calling music and cold floors a form of legal torture to compare to....more direct methods..cheapens and lessens the term.

It blurs the line between what may well be classified cruel and unusual punishment under our system and the monstrous evil that is breaking a human being like an animal to extract what they would never have offered freely.

The two just have no comparison, to my thinking....and many many nations both have and continue to do it for many things.




posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 03:47 AM
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a reply to: Wrabbit2000

Well, you are wrong its torture, when someone starts to define what torture is you know something is wrong. So many countries does it, so terrorist does worse things therefore its ok? what are you trying to say? what you say is US is no better than terrorist, that its ok to lower to their ways.


Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.


United Nations Convention against Torture

Its funny you try to say what is torture or not, not to long ago in Venezuela someone from the government said they are torturing no one because the military personal raping people, or pouring gas on the dissidents and saying they were gonna burn them and so on were not doing questions during their acts so it cannot be cataloged as torture according to the UN definition so they were not going to investigate the claims.

USA torture people, it has done it since it exist and it like it too much to stop doing, only the ways of doing it change.



singsing 1860

Torture in the United States

Torture without violence has been use always, its the worse, nothing like a mock execution everyday to break you, but hey yeah a cold floor or some music is nothing right? is not like you cant leave the floor any time you like or turn off the music when you please no? everyone can sleep with we are the champions turning on every 5 minutes for 100 hours no? what is a little sleep deprivation anyways


Torture is torture, if you think its too mild or not to call it torture its irrelevant.



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 03:52 AM
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Well, you are wrong its torture, when someone starts to define what torture is you know something is wrong.


No.. I'm not wrong. I have a different opinion on it than you do, since playing loud music isn't defined by any international law or standard as torture.

In my opinion, the way we have come to water down very serious terms leaves them so meaningless as to be worthless.



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 04:04 AM
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They are always meaningless and worthless depending on the country that commit them, for example its always ok for US.

So music is not defined as torture?


Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person


I think its pretty clear.

When you say that about watering down the definition of torture i can only imagine a guy torturing another starting from the less severe things possible and asking a third in a suit, is this torture, is this torture now?

Having opinions is ok, when there are laws opinions means nothing as the law is what decide, when they made the law on torture they made it very clear, anything that cause suffering used to obtain a information, UN its a joke sadly, i wonder if any resolution has ever been pass against a security council member.

Sorry Mr Wrabbit, there are things you just cant allow, and this is one of them for me.



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 04:12 AM
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Sorry Mr Wrabbit, there are things you just cant allow, and this is one of them for me.


I can absolutely respect that too. That's your view and you've every right to it.

Our definitions of severe pain or suffering are on different planets for frame of reference and meaning. That's something fair to say.



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 04:20 AM
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a reply to: Wrabbit2000

Sleep deprivation is pretty bad, is the music not used for this?


aching muscles[7]
confusion, memory lapses or loss[6][8]
depression[8]
hallucinations[8]
hand tremor[9]
headaches
malaise
stye
periorbital puffiness, commonly known as "bags under eyes" or eye bags
increased blood pressure[10][11]
increased stress hormone levels[11]
increased risk of diabetes[11]
increased risk of fibromyalgia[12]
irritability[5]
nystagmus (rapid involuntary rhythmic eye movement)[13]
obesity[11]
seizures[14]
temper tantrums in children[5]
yawning[5]
mania[15]



As a result of continuous muscular activity without proper rest time, effects such as cramping are much more frequent in sleep-deprived individuals



Sleep deprivation can be used as a means of interrogation, which has resulted in court trials over whether or not the technique is a form of torture.[60]

Under one interrogation technique, a subject might be kept awake for several days and when finally allowed to fall asleep, suddenly awakened and questioned. Menachem Begin, the Prime Minister of Israel from 1977 to 1983, described his experience of sleep deprivation as a prisoner of the NKVD in Russia as follows:

In the head of the interrogated prisoner, a haze begins to form. His spirit is wearied to death, his legs are unsteady, and he has one sole desire: to sleep... Anyone who has experienced this desire knows that not even hunger and thirst are comparable with it.[61]

Sleep deprivation was one of the five techniques used by the British government in the 1970s. The European Court of Human Rights ruled that the five techniques "did not occasion suffering of the particular intensity and cruelty implied by the word torture ... [but] amounted to a practice of inhuman and degrading treatment", in breach of the European Convention on Human Rights.[62]

The United States Justice Department released four memos in August 2002 describing interrogation techniques used by the Central Intelligence Agency. They first described 10 techniques used in the interrogations of Abu Zubaydah, described as a terrorist logistics specialist, including sleep deprivation. Memos from May 2005 introduced four more techniques and confirmed that the combination of interrogation methods did not constitute torture under United States law.


Of course for US is not torture.
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It seems your opinion is the reason to use music instead of other means, from the op article:


Any torture method is of debatable merit — music torture was, in part, popular because it seemed more palatable to the public.
edit on 28-4-2014 by Indigent because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 07:49 AM
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Hanoi Hilton


Well Wabbit wctually the resort that KSM, and bin Al Shibh chose for their midlife crisis was in Thailand. It has the lovely name 'Bang Kwang' and hospitality is provided by the church of the centralized intelligentsia water and boarding agency.



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 07:54 AM
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so how come all this torture music was played on us first...
like a bad bad bad joke

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