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The bible is the bait and hook the "devil" uses to get you.

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posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 04:47 PM
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a reply to: Akragon


LMAO




posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 04:48 PM
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a reply to: randyvs

Bibles are pretty heavy. You could kill someone with a hardcover.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 04:48 PM
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originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Akragon


I didn't deny AK so whats you're point?
Just wasting space?
You could've said my statement was right just as well?
Why all the prejudice for Randy AK?
Where's the love?



Geez man, whats with the hostility?

I don't recall "the old man and the sea" being in any religious document or story... do you?



ha, maybe it's a reference to Noah and the great flood...



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 04:51 PM
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a reply to: lupodigubbio
It takes a person of courage to tell it like is ! very honest truth, there are many contradictions and also things that you definitely cannot take literally, a collection of anything means you will get a variety of opinions, and too bad that many things translated do not have the original meanings, when the book was given to people to read and study they probably approached it from the standpoint of reading a novel, not that it is a collection from many sources.

The problem that most do not realize is that Kings of old were initiates, which also meant there is a high likelihood that they know and keep secrets that would never reach the hands of those who are not, in Rome there was no separation of Church and State, you had the pope who he himself is an initiate, you also have the many secrets that will never see the light of day, I also truly believe that what we have as the Bible is not fully intact, especially with many books that are just as provable and credible that certain powers have deemed they should not be included, this should be the biggest red flag that the text of the Bible is incomplete and when you have something that is incomplete how do you fully apply it to resolve all truth and intent of God?

I truly believe Christ did exist, however, much earlier than depicted, I also believe that the Roman Church, which was in existence long before the arrival of Christ was heavily based on the Mithraic Mysteries and religion, I truly believe that the Cult of Isis and Serapis played heavily into the picture that is painted of what many see as Christ or Christian today, once the followers of Christ, and that's what they were, posed a threat to the foundations of both Judaism and also Roman Catholicism there was a political struggle, I truly believe that efforts were made to crush and eradicate Christianity but it failed so, the religion was absorbed into Roman Catholicism but I do believe that during this period somewhere is when the greatest deception of man which you seem to be describing actually occurred and many of today's Christians are not of the original faith only by being blindly deceived which is very troubling.

Now you have to think, either there is a God or not, and if the original intent in the Garden of Eden was for man to remain ignorant, and never have access to knowledge where would we be and this is the main tenet of Luciferianism, that knowledge for man could not be bad so the serpent was responsible for saving man from being eternally ignorant.


The greatest challenge for anyone that embarks on the journey to discover and unlock the bible that possibly knows zero background on it I could see how they can be confused and easily misled by someone they might perceive as knowing more and believing their interpretation, many people do not have the capacity to reason beyond taking every word in the Bible literally so they will never see any deeper meaning than a story.

Hosea 4:6

King James Version (KJV)

6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Genesis 2:17

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

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posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: lupodigubbio




ha, maybe it's a reference to Noah and the great flood...


Now apply that same kind of insight in regards to scripture
and tell me what's really go'in on here? Or run away and hide
and leave me looking eccentric? I really don't care which.




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posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 04:59 PM
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originally posted by: On7a7higher7plane
a reply to: randyvs

Bibles are pretty heavy. You could kill someone with a hardcover.


Still, the word would remain indestructable.
They don't call it The Living Bible for nothing.

Jump up and beat that ass!



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: lupodigubbio




ha, maybe it's a reference to Noah and the great flood...


Now apply that same kind of insight in regards to scripture
and tell me what's really go'in here? Or run away and hide
and leave me looking eccentric? I really don't care which.





I though that is what I was applying all along but I guess I have to dilute these simple concepts even more?
At this point it is best you remain looking eccentric.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 05:05 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs


The Nicene Creed is not an article in all of the "Christian" faiths. It was devised by the bishops at Nicea to establish a 'common footing'. That does NOT make it 'true'.

I made no claim as to it being true or not, I merely said that attesting to the creeds is what makes one a Christian. If someone believes in Jesus, but doesn't believe in the Trinitarian God, like Jehovah's Witnesses, they're not a Christian. It goes both ways -- there are denominations that I personally don't think are very Christian, like SDAs, but since they attest to the creeds, they are.

Like anything else, "Christian" is just a word, there is no value attached to it (well, not by most people) -- it's just a way to categorize groups of believers.

As for what appears to be your outrage that people would be expected to know and agree to what the creed says, I don't see what the issue is -- if you don't believe it, don't believe it. But why would you want to be called Christian if you're not?



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 05:08 PM
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You have never been successful in proving that point. On the contrary, Jesus was a Jew and Jews believed in reincarnation. The Essene believed in and taught reincarnation. We know the Pharisees believed in reincarnation and we know that the apostles believed in it.

As I said earlier, I do not wish to enter into yet another argument about reincarnation, particularly with someone who just makes up facts like "the Pharisees and Apostles believed in reincarnation", but my point was not the off-topic reincarnation, rather the on-topic "was the God of the Israelites Satan/evil/the Demi-urge", the answer to which I gave in the bit that you quoted, but either didn't read or didn't understand.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 05:09 PM
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I think you misunderstand the magnitude of difference between Jesus and other living homo-sapiens as pertaining to my understanding.

Jesus actions were a consequence of our actions. This is an utterly direct relationship. His purpose wasn't to teach, although sometimes 'having the perfect run' demanded teaching.

Jesus was nothing like us, as self aware homo-sapiens with free will and independent consciousnesses we can't relate to Jesus.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 05:11 PM
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As for what appears to be your outrage that people would be expected to know and agree to what the creed says, I don't see what the issue is -- if you don't believe it, don't believe it. But why would you want to be called Christian if you're not?

My outrage? No. Not outraged. Just baffled.....


I don't believe it, and I don't want to be called a "Christian". Why? Because the vast majority of the 30,000+ denominations all are judgmental opinions, and I feel that my open-minded opinion is just as valid as anyone else's opinion.

Ecclesia Gnostica. Accepts all comers, regardless of baptismal or theological-adherence status.

It just makes more sense to me.

Just because I reject the Nicene Creed does not mean that I am incapable of understanding the STORY of Jesus. I believe I do understand it. And I also believe that the messages he supposedly taught are what I think he taught.
/shrug



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 05:14 PM
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a reply to: phinubian

I enjoy the post, but i will challenge you, maybe I didn't see you. Do you believe he was physically resurrected



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 05:35 PM
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I love these threads because it's always the same people, arguing with the same people. None of us will ever be persuaded to change our minds, yet here we are.

Another thought that struck me was how lightly some people take the subject. If a philosophy doesn't fit their view of how something should be, they discard it and adopt whatever suits them best (regardless of whether or not they know it to be true), sort of like shopping for clothes at a second hand store. Very casual.

Given that our fate in the afterlife could depend on what we believe in this one, you would think more people would consider the outfit they are about to put on for the rest of eternity a bit more carefully. I guess since there is no way to "know", some people are ok with wearing ridiculous outfits. Maybe a fedora, with a tweed vest, a turtleneck, leather pants, and cowboy boots. Mix and match sort of thing. Ok. I think I'm off topic now.

Carry on.
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posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 05:37 PM
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i think the bible is absolutely accurate. it's just missing parts because of 1) how highly condensed it is and 2) the god of this world (satan) owns the planet at the moment and so interpreters think that "the god of this world" is the same as jesus and the heavenly father. the god of this world is satan, not heavenly father and not jesus. the old testament and parts of the new, don't differentiate very well and when they do, the way you are taught to interpret the passages causes you to put emphasis on the wrong parts of the verses thus resulting in the incorrect understanding of what you are looking at. thusly the references to having the eyes to see and ears to hear, what the spirit is saying to the bride.

case in point, paul explains that he doesn't allow women to speak in church because of eve's sin in the garden. now stick with me for a second, this part is interesting. paul says eve didn't know and was fooled (she was innocent), but adam knew and still did it anyway (he wasn't innocent), and that's why paul doesn't let eves gender descendants talk in the church. apparently being fooled because you were innocent is worse than being fooled with full knowledge you were being fooled. to quote george carlin, "You have to stand in awe, in awe, of the all time champion of ... exaggerated claims"



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 05:41 PM
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Have you ever noticed all Christian denominations believe that... Your salvation in the afterlife depends on believing what we believe... Yet there are so many disagreements between sects... Thus the reason for 40k flavours of Christianity...

Logically everyone is going to hell because none of you agree what is correct... OR is it just one version that is correct...

IF that's the case Pick a flavour and explain why the rest are wrong




posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 05:50 PM
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Wouldn't the bible leave out God... and Jesus good knowledge if this was a tool used by Mr Satan... This really makes no sense at all. No star for you!!!!



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 05:51 PM
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Carry on.


Oh no Sereph, you aren't going to just do a drive by.
And not suffer the consequence of having me, try to
arrest your attention further.

Now, I believe you've symbolized a persons attire to the
topic rather well. So, whatta ya think of my head dress
stud?

No I'm kidding, but I think you drew a great parallel
there really that is only slightly off topic, if at all.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: Akragon


IF that's the case Pick a flavour and explain why the rest are wrong


I sort of just picked one (or rather it picked me) and continue to hope for the best. Grab onto the "holy #@*! bar" on the rollercoaster of life and try to enjoy the ride as best I can.

I try to leave the fire and brimstone stuff to the big guy upstairs. I figure if I can't even get my own life where I want it, I probably have no business telling anyone else how to live theirs or trying to determine where they're going to end up after they kick the bucket. Not for me to say.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 05:54 PM
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a reply to: DeadSeraph

I think that's the most honest reply I've heard in a long time

A star for you my good man




posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 05:58 PM
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I see the Bible as book of advice and anecdotes that you can choose to live by if you want, not a font of divine truth.



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