Jesse Ventura's Threads of Non-Substance.

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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 11:59 AM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

All with only a short blurb and a trailer VID. And then...link to Jesse's site. No substance to the thread except what ATS members contribute. His contribution? Played and repeated for all to see. Nothing new but rather just seems to be stirring the pot for ratings.

And then we have the NEW forum created just for Jesse in which we can't even start a thread? It's like his personal forum.

So who's playing who and who's getting played? Something just isn't adding up here. Is Jesse paying for the space or is ATS paying Jesse for his notoriety? Are ATS members giving Jesse our work only to be used as his own? It seems that one or the other is at play...at least to me. I sadly am starting to lose any respect I once held for Jesse as it seems (maybe only to me) that he is capitalizing on the Doom-Porn market and using ATS as a soap box.

I will admit that when I heard about Jesse joining us here on ATS I was initially excited not only for his notoriety that could help us in our quest for truth but for what I believed would be his knowledge that many of us were not privy to but that he had the resources to access. Also the credibility he might lend as an asset.

I have since become Doubtful with threads of Non-Substance from a source that might be anything but. So in closing...

Jesse! Please bring it because you are in a position to and you've been given the platform of ATS.

Peace



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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:04 PM
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originally posted by: jude11

And then we have the NEW forum created just for Jesse in which we can't even start a thread? It's like his personal forum.

So who's playing who and who's getting played? Something just isn't adding up here. Is Jesse paying for the space or is ATS paying Jesse for his notoriety? Are ATS members giving Jesse our work only to be used as his own? It seems that one or the other is at play...at least to me. I sadly am starting to lose any respect I once held for Jesse as it seems (maybe only to me) that he is capitalizing on the Doom-Porn market and using ATS as a soap box.

Peace



Scott Creighton has his own forum also. In my opinion its a great forum and I don't see how this would be much different.

Of course I had nothing to do with any official ATS dealing with Jesse, but I'd wager he is held to the same T&C which would mean any material posted here is the rights of ATS.

I'm not saying I think his would be a great thread, I honestly don't know. I posted whatever concerns I had in the official "yay Jesse thread" -(paraphrasing) and Springer and SO both had very great points. No sense in worrying about it until it can be critiqued right?
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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:07 PM
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Nah, he ain't got time to bleed.



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:08 PM
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Jesse doesn't seem to know much about anything IMO I think 90% of this forum is more informed and educated on this forums topics but nobody gives them the time of day regardless if it's a 24/7 obsession, he also seem reluctant to give his own opinion on anything which might expose him as a cash in

Yh, it Just seems like another cash in and popularity campaign IMO

I'm quite skeptical of him and his motives behind it all tbh he doesn't seem like a genuine conspiracy enthusiast just someone who took a mild Interest in 9/11 got a show out of it and realised his popularity was rising, and then wanted to use it to gain more popularity through controversial topics and issues and bandwagoning on conspiracy's to further his career

Just a big show for the sheeple
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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:10 PM
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originally posted by: TritonTaranis
Jesse doesn't seem to know much about anything IMO and seem reluctant to give his own opinion on anything

Just seems like another cash in and popularity campaign IMO



That's kind of cool than, he could bring more notoriety to ATS and we can waken more sleepies!



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:12 PM
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originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: jude11

And then we have the NEW forum created just for Jesse in which we can't even start a thread? It's like his personal forum.

So who's playing who and who's getting played? Something just isn't adding up here. Is Jesse paying for the space or is ATS paying Jesse for his notoriety? Are ATS members giving Jesse our work only to be used as his own? It seems that one or the other is at play...at least to me. I sadly am starting to lose any respect I once held for Jesse as it seems (maybe only to me) that he is capitalizing on the Doom-Porn market and using ATS as a soap box.

Peace



Scott Creighton has his own forum also. In my opinion its a great forum and I don't see how this would be much different.

Of course I had nothing to do with any official ATS dealing with Jesse, but I'd wager he is held to the same T&C which would mean any material posted here is the rights of ATS.

I'm not saying I think his would be a great thread, I honestly don't know. I posted whatever concerns I had in the official "yay Jesse thread" -(paraphrasing) and Springer and SO both had very great points. No sense in worrying about it until it can be critiqued right?


At least Mr. Creighton Doesn't post and run.

Peace



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:14 PM
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Well one thing for sure, us ATSers will make his show better with our ideas and review of topics.

His knowledge base, or topic debate base, will broaden greatly as well.

In other words, he'll benifit from our input more than we would his. IMO.

I like the concept though as he does have things going already that many are interested in so... enjoy. Or don't.



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:15 PM
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My guess is that he is just getting a feel for his customer base, and then he will cater towards it.

Im not sure he currently knows what/how he wants to sell his "product," so he is asking the customer base directly. Kind of like gathering metrics for a marketing campaign.



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
Jesse doesn't seem to know much about anything IMO and seem reluctant to give his own opinion on anything

Just seems like another cash in and popularity campaign IMO



That's kind of cool than, he could bring more notoriety to ATS and we can waken more sleepies!


I think it would be better to rope in somebody of higher calibre and knows what there talking about and isn't doing it for self gain tbh

Let's not get too desperate

If rather listen to the forums very own phage and his treasure trove of knowledge
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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:26 PM
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I just wish Jessie would wear a less annoying shirt.
Stick to cammo or a suit... maybe a cammo suit. lol.

I read the one post he did and it was light on substance.

It didn't convince me to watch the video.



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: jude11

After those several days of build up and "OTG" and Ventura staring at us on the edges of the screen...

all we get is a clip, a link to his show on Ora.tv, and a link to him on Twitter.

Then he's gone for the thread. Most normal members on ATS would catch grief for that behavior.

This is the exciting change that was going to accompany the new revisions to ATS??
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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: jude11


All with only a short blurb and a trailer VID.





Similar to like 80% of threads started by ATS members............. Short blurbs with an attached Youtube video. Both parties benefit....... Jesse can promote his vids/website while getting ATS input and ATS snagged a high profile member with name recognition. For the past few years he made his name dealing with conspiracies and ATS is a conspiracy website. I see no problem with this.



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:37 PM
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The partnership is still new. I doubt if that's even Jesse posting, he has his own account and this is another account that probably people at his office are using (although I have no information either way, just a guess). Yet since it's new, and the account is new, then the people from his office reading those threads, and especially threads like this one, will catch on pretty quickly that ATS has a long long history as a discussion site, a multi-way disussion site, and when a thread is made it's usually up to the OP to keep the conversation going and to engage in the discussion. And to be educated themselves. The topics they have already posted (and again, it's a new arrangement) are pretty lightweight to the people here, but for new people reading or hearing about them they are good topics.

Personally I haven't seen any of the clips yet (and he should really post the entire show if he's posting, imnho) because my software probably doesn't run them. What software is suggested? Thanks.

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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
Jesse doesn't seem to know much about anything IMO and seem reluctant to give his own opinion on anything

Just seems like another cash in and popularity campaign IMO



That's kind of cool than, he could bring more notoriety to ATS and we can waken more sleepies!


I think it would be better to rope in somebody of higher calibre and knows what there talking about and isn't doing it for self gain tbh

Let's not get too desperate


Whatever the case may be, I saw the first video of his show. He let Ted Bundy interview and speak his mind. Jesse didn't control the flow and Cliven seemed to have gotten out what he wanted. To me that's pretty cool and regardless of his opinions they are the SAME topics we are talking about here anyway right? Why not let him play in the sandbox?

The only stipulation of course is if Cliven Bundy, Militia, Jesse Ventura and Koch Brothers were all in cahoots together, oh and ATS. Now that'd be one heck'uva conspiracy.



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: jude11


All with only a short blurb and a trailer VID.





Similar to like 80% of threads started by ATS members............. Short blurbs with an attached Youtube video. Both parties benefit....... Jesse can promote his vids/website while getting ATS input and ATS snagged a high profile member with name recognition. For the past few years he made his name dealing with conspiracies and ATS is a conspiracy website. I see no problem with this.


I expect more from a source such as Jesse. Some members Don't know how to carry a thread but Jesse certainly should. It's his job/life/passion....

Peace



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:41 PM
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I think Jesse is an "image" person for conspiracies. His TV show was entertaining, but really didn't go as deep into conspiracy theories as ATSers. I too think Jesse can learn more from you people than you can from him. He's a great personality and a likeable person though.

Take an A.J. and water it down to half-strength and you get a Ventura.
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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:43 PM
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a reply to: jude11


I sadly am starting to lose any respect I once held for Jesse as it seems (maybe only to me) that he is capitalizing on the Doom-Porn market and using ATS as a soap box.


Which is why I too feel pretty much the same. I like Jesse, and his shows have probably helped wake up some people along the way. But I think ATS admin need to wake up to the fact that they just threw Jesse into a pack of ravenous information wolves that have been at this longer than him. Judy Wood? Oh pleeeeease. *sigh*. You really need to think about the content you bring here with this OFFTHE GRID stuff, Bill and Mark. Or fine, don't. But you can expect more threads like this.

I suppose we should remember that it is their site, and they can do what they want to with it. It would be nice to see Jesse become an active, participating member, and see his name responding to threads around the boards. But be realistic, folks. High caliber people like him only have time for so much.

We still cannot fault ATS for trying, even if it is just for the money. Would you all rather they didn't? They can only do so much too. I will admit to having too many expectations about bringing "stars" here. I will be careful not to make that mistake again, no matter who ends up here, even for a short time.



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: jude11


All with only a short blurb and a trailer VID.





Similar to like 80% of threads started by ATS members............. Short blurbs with an attached Youtube video. Both parties benefit....... Jesse can promote his vids/website while getting ATS input and ATS snagged a high profile member with name recognition. For the past few years he made his name dealing with conspiracies and ATS is a conspiracy website. I see no problem with this.



For sure Jesse is certainly killing two birds with one stone fair play to him, but what he has to say doesn't further investigation into anything

I'd rather see a scientific approach rather than a celebrity's opinion and more of a media circus around some important topics we cover on here, the UFO community has become a joke because of celebs weighing in, Danny dyer springs to mind as another that did the same after his movie career crashed and burned

I don't have anything against him, I just think it's for all the wrong reasons mainly self gains
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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:45 PM
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first things first - he's an entertainer. Period. His job is to entertain, not to enlighten.

It sucks..thinking someone with his presence could do something to demonstrate that "I Told You So" mentality to us common schlubs but sadly, no. It's about viewership, clicks, rankings, followers and buzz



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 12:47 PM
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Well, honestly It does not bother me one bit. Understand that not everyone out there has had the opportunity to have read or been exsposed to the many different conspiracy theories like many of us older members have. Jesse may be looking for publicity ,so what! As long as the info gets out ! . .. Who knows maybe Jesse has plans for 2016 , I dono about you but I think he's the only person at this time who can fix everything that's wrong with the UNITED STATES if the citizens are not willing to stand up.


We all got to start somewhere.... Just saying
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