Sources close to investigation claim missing Malaysia Airlines plane MH370 may have landed, not cras

originally posted by: mzinga
a reply to: Arbitrageur---->If I'm not mistaken you could still hop out of the aft exits of a 777 without hitting the tail..

You are mistaken, the B777 do not have the rear stair like the B727 (Cooper case).

One might depressurize the airplane, but the doors cant be opened inflight due to the wind speed.

Even if they could you would hit the aft fuselage and very likely the H-stab and get yourself killed.

a reply to: Rocker2013

It's plausible, but still very unlikely.

Why didn't the pilots radio ANY mayday with said fire?
That would be a given, I would expect.

Has there been ANY documented fire on a plane that burned out due to lack of Oxygen and the plane kept flying? I haven't heard of one.

Why all the known flight course changes??? If there were a fire and the pilots were changing course like they did, they would have radioed the situation to someone.

Even if the plane ran till it ran out of fuel, the Crash scene should have been detected by now with a debris field.

It's a theory, but one that still has many gaping holes in it, like all the other theories.

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: Rocker2013

It's plausible, but still very unlikely.

Why didn't the pilots radio ANY mayday with said fire?
That would be a given, I would expect.

Unless the fire knocked out the radio before they could use it.

Has there been ANY documented fire on a plane that burned out due to lack of Oxygen and the plane kept flying? I haven't heard of one.

compare to this flight:

en.wikipedia.org...

Why all the known flight course changes???

the last course change is a mystery under most scenarios.

Even if the plane ran till it ran out of fuel, the Crash scene should have been detected by now with a debris field.

That's true with just about any theory, except the landed theory which has the same problem that the landing location would be known by now. Also note that some missing planes have taken decades to find.

It's a theory, but one that still has many gaping holes in it, like all the other theories.

The one gaping hole for me is the last course change. I don't see that many other holes.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I would venture that the radio systems would be some of the most redundant and secure systems on a modern plane. It would be unlikely to be the first system knocked out due to a fire. A selective fire that takes out the communications yet doesn't take out other cockpit systems ie autopilot for example, seems again, unlikely.

I have a feeling we will never know what happened to that flight.

originally posted by: Bilk22
a reply to: daaskapital
It landed in China.

Yeah sure go ahead. First Blame Russia Then China and then The Serbs. But Not America. Or how desperately Australia has being acting in this matter of this missingplane.

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter

originally posted by: Bilk22
a reply to: daaskapital
It landed in China.

Yeah sure go ahead. First Blame Russia Then China and then The Serbs. But Not America. Or how desperately Australia has being acting in this matter of this missingplane.

I never blamed anyone. It was tweeted they day it disappeared, only a few short hours after, that it landed in China escorted by Chinese military jets. Seems like a pretty good bet to me since this was tweeted well before all the disinfo started.

reply to daaskapital

Consider the following:
- When planes go missing at sea, debris fields appear almost immediately. None has been found in over a month with the most intensive search effort ever. Conclusion - it did not crash in the ocean.

- Boeing patented a device to take over control of virtually any Boeing aircraft in 1995. It took a lawsuit to get this info into the public domain. All Boeing fly by wire planes are so equipped including MH370. Control can be taken from the pilots without their permission or assistance if so desired. Since there were no ransom demands or claims of responsibility this is the most likely scenario. Remote control of aircraft is routine today as can be seen by the widespread use of drones.

- Today's satellites can read a licence plate from 100 miles up and track incoming objects from space the size of a basketball. Satellites received no pings from engine transponders which RR has on their systems or could find no way to track this plane. The authorities are telling you that they are using Amelia Earhart technology to locate this plane. This simply does not compute.

- A low flying aircraft was seen by fishermen flying low over the maldives. They had never seen a Malaysian Airlines plane but got the coloration correct.

- Somebody make an effort to photoshop pictures of the two Iranian passengers with false passports ie same lower extremities for both men. For days CNN made a big issue of the fake passports to get you focused on this and conclude that these guys did it. Why highlight Iranians and fake passports. What to conclude.

- Plane spotters in Tel Aviv saw the identical plane sitting in a hangar months before the airliner went missing.

This was a botched false flag operation to blame on the Iranians. Possibly an attack on the Sears (WIllis) tower or some other US target to get the public to rally around a new military adventure. The Intelligence agencies, thinking that a photoshop job worked for a presidential passport , and a composite photo of Lee Harvey Oswald and rifle duped the public, so why not this time. The public has been sucker punched too often and since 9/11 false flags are harder to sell.
Now the authorities are stuck with 239 people and an airliner that landed likely in Diego Garcia. The dilemma now is to dispose of the passengers and send the plane to a chop shop or change the VIN numbers etc and sell it to a freight company or load the plane up and sink it where nobody was looking. The globalists, on the other hand, control access to any crime scene so they have a free hand to do whatever they want and have the presstitutes put the appropriate spin on the story.




a reply to: daaskapital

Just my 2 Cents. The Brits used one top secret Nuclear Sub in the Search. Its crash depth is around 1500 feet. The bottom is 15,000 feet down. So they were gaining a whole 10% of the distance to the ocean floor. Now whatever sonar they used, a Chinese Naval vessel dropping hydro phones down their necks, wouldn't be tolerated. So they simply "salted" some extra pingers way off from where they were really looking.

My team of two, got hits that the airliner came down in Northern India, and maybe landed intact. West of Nepal, and East of Kashmir. This was map dowsed before they looked beyond the Malacca Straits. These creeps knew their route before they ever got on the airliner. I'm saying that this escape plan ran from K.Ll to Lahore, Pakistan. But for whatever reason, they never made it all the way, there. It doesn't take long to spoof aerial photos. So that 777 may have been in plain sight since the first week into the search. But it wouldn't look like any 777, now. edit. The lousy weather would have helped this camouflaging.

a reply to: Rocker2013 ok let`s say it`s a fire why then did the aircraft change it`s flight path?

a reply to: carpoolerWow are you serious? If you are this poses 2 major questions who are you exactly and why haven`t you given this information the relevant authorities?

originally posted by: cayrichard
reply to daaskapital


- Plane spotters in Tel Aviv saw the identical plane sitting in a hangar months before the airliner went missing.

Good grief! Seriously? No they didn't see Boeing 777 registration 9M-MRO‎ in any hangar in Tel Aviv.

www.planespotters.net...

What is at Tel Aviv is ex-Malaysian Boeing 777 that used to carry the serial 9M-MRI. It is now registered N105GT. The aircraft was stored in France and then stored in Israel.

See following for image of N105GT leaving France for storage in Israel.

www.malaysianwings.com...

Link to image of N105GT in storage in Israel.

www.rumormillnews.com...

originally posted by: WatchRider

originally posted by: Psynic
As I have not found it mentioned anywhere else I would like to point out the similarities between NYC's twin World Trade Centre towers and Kuala Lumpur's twin Petronas towers.

An attack on the Petronas Towers would equate to a continuation of 9/11.

The significance of such a directly comparable terrorist target existing within immediate range of MH370 should not be disregarded.

An attempt to repeat such an attack could result in the aircraft being shot down by one of several airforces in the region.

Short of actually bringing down the Petronas towers, simply causing the plane to crash could be construed as a Jihadist victory.

The only way to neutralize terrorists benefitting from such a suicide mission is to deny the event ever took place.

That's a good theory, but the only flaw in it is that there would have been a jihadist group making claims by now of this and there hasn't so far...

Hasn't there? Are you sure?

originally posted by: cayrichard


- Today's satellites can read a licence plate from 100 miles up and track incoming objects from space the size of a basketball. Satellites received no pings from engine transponders which RR has on their systems or could find no way to track this plane. The authorities are telling you that they are using Amelia Earhart technology to locate this plane. This simply does not compute.

Phage covers satellite resolution capabilities at following. Satellites don't have any such capability to read number plates. In Hollywood, yes.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

See following thread and see info posted by Zaphod58. In the case of the Malaysian engine package GPS data is not sent back to Rolls-Royce. If the engine management system was active it wouldn't be sending positional info from MH370.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: dashdespatch


a reply to: Rocker2013 ok let`s say it`s a fire why then did the aircraft change it`s flight path?

As I understand it, other investigators and pilots have suggested that the fire knocked out the communications, and the pilots diverted the plane towards the nearest airport to land. They are trained to immediately get the plane on the ground when there is an emergency, so it makes sense that they would be looking for the nearest runway.

From what I read, there were a couple they could have chosen, but that decision would have been theirs to make.

originally posted by: pavil
Why didn't the pilots radio ANY mayday with said fire?
That would be a given, I would expect.

With the complexity of aircraft systems, it's completely plausible that the communications were taken by in the fire.

originally posted by: pavil
Has there been ANY documented fire on a plane that burned out due to lack of Oxygen and the plane kept flying? I haven't heard of one.

As Arbitrageur says, the Air Canada 797 flight is pretty interesting.

originally posted by: pavil
Why all the known flight course changes??? If there were a fire and the pilots were changing course like they did, they would have radioed the situation to someone.

There was only one flight course change, and that was a direct route to the closest airport big enough to land a 777. As others have said, the first thing the pilots would need to do is get that plane on the ground. It's likely that they programmed in the course and went on autopilot while dealing with the situation on the plane.

If the communications were knocked out by the fire, they would not have been able to radio back to advise of this problem.

originally posted by: pavil
Even if the plane ran till it ran out of fuel, the Crash scene should have been detected by now with a debris field.

How about Air France flight 447 which crashed into the Atlantic in 2009? They knew where that was, and the Brazilian Navy managed to retrieve some debris and two bodies within a few days, but the rest of the plane wasn't located and the black boxes not retrieved for nearly two years.

Remember, this was a plane that was tracked all the way to its position, in communication. They knew where it was, but it still took two years to locate and retrieve those black boxes. Imagine doing this over a space of potentially thousands of miles, with only a guess of where it might be, with strong currents shifting any debris or oil on the surface... I don't think it's surprising at all that nothing has been found in such a large area.

I think many people find it hard to picture just how large an area this is. It's not like searching your back yard or a national park, this is a truly massive region to search, with changing surface conditions that would mean debris could be hundreds of miles away from the actual crash site in several directions within hours.

originally posted by: pavil
It's a theory, but one that still has many gaping holes in it, like all the other theories.

I agree, but logic would dictate that the most plausible explanation is often the right one. What are the alternatives? If there was a terrorist on board, why crash the plane into the ocean so far from any target when the "goal" is to kill and maim as many as possible? It makes absolutely no sense that a terrorist would divert AWAY from populated areas.

And, why no word from the plane if this did happen? A terrorist attack would mean the passengers would know about it, and with so many hundreds of people on board I think it's at least more likely that someone would have sent a message of one kind or another. I know there is discussion about phones being "patchy" at that altitude, but with so many on board all trying to get the message out surely something would have gotten through? And wouldn't any terrorist WANT to get that message out to cause more horror?

The fact that no one communicated from the plane tells me that they had no idea what was going on. They would know if a terrorist had taken control of the plane. Either they were asleep, or they were all knocked out by smoke and fumes. That's the only explanation I can find for that.

No explanation is anything but horrifying, but I prefer to imagine a scenario where they didn't even know that the plane had diverted and simply didn't wake up due to the fumes and smoke.

originally posted by: cayrichard
- When planes go missing at sea, debris fields appear almost immediately. None has been found in over a month with the most intensive search effort ever. Conclusion - it did not crash in the ocean.

Planes that have crashed into the sea previously have all been tracked to their location. It's easy to find a debris field when you know where to look. Try searching over thousands of miles of open sea with changing currents able to carry debris hundreds of miles a day and you'll find it a completely different story.

originally posted by: cayrichard
- Boeing patented a device to take over control of virtually any Boeing aircraft in 1995. It took a lawsuit to get this info into the public domain. All Boeing fly by wire planes are so equipped including MH370. Control can be taken from the pilots without their permission or assistance if so desired. Since there were no ransom demands or claims of responsibility this is the most likely scenario. Remote control of aircraft is routine today as can be seen by the widespread use of drones.

Do you have links to prove this suggestion?
In addition, why would someone take control of this plane and then fly it for several hours over the ocean before ditching it? Can you explain why you think this is more plausible than any of the more likely scenarios?

originally posted by: cayrichard
- Today's satellites can read a licence plate from 100 miles up and track incoming objects from space the size of a basketball. Satellites received no pings from engine transponders which RR has on their systems or could find no way to track this plane. The authorities are telling you that they are using Amelia Earhart technology to locate this plane. This simply does not compute.

You're just factually wrong on this.
First of all, satellites have been used to try to find the missing plane. No results have been confirmed. This makes sense, given that the area is so vast, with incredibly strong currents. It's easy to look for a car in a city, but not so easy to look for a cricket in a corn field. Think about that.

Also, there was a pinging system logging information back to a company in the UK, and this was used after the fact. This was not a known and provable method, it was something that was merely considered as a breakthrough after all standard methods of tracking had been proven to be useless.

originally posted by: cayrichard
- A low flying aircraft was seen by fishermen flying low over the maldives. They had never seen a Malaysian Airlines plane but got the coloration correct.

Any proof of this?

originally posted by: cayrichard
- Somebody make an effort to photoshop pictures of the two Iranian passengers with false passports ie same lower extremities for both men. For days CNN made a big issue of the fake passports to get you focused on this and conclude that these guys did it. Why highlight Iranians and fake passports. What to conclude.

I'm sorry, but this is just conspiracy theory nonsense, unless you have some kind of evidence or proof of this (a blogger, a YouTube video not Alex Jones rants are not evidence) then it's nothing more than fantasy.

If someone were to "photoshop" two imaginary people, don't you think they would have done a better job of it than use the same "lower extremities" for both? Fake passports are pretty common in that region of the world, where security is not all it should be. This is not new and it's no mystery, people there do fly on fake/stolen passports.

originally posted by: cayrichard
- Plane spotters in Tel Aviv saw the identical plane sitting in a hangar months before the airliner went missing.

This has already been debunked as nothing but nonsense.

originally posted by: cayrichard
This was a botched false flag operation to blame on the Iranians. Possibly an attack on the Sears (WIllis) tower or some other US target to get the public to rally around a new military adventure.

If this was supposed to blamed on Iranians, then the "NWO" (or whichever boogeyman you think responsible) has done an appalling job of it!

I haven't seen any news outlet talking about these two men since they were initially mentioned as potential suspects, and then abandoned as such. If this was all about a false flag and an attempt to start a conflict, why did EVERYTHING FAIL?! It clearly didn't work, there's no evidence to tie those men to the disappearance of the plane, Iran has not been blamed, no target was hit, no war was started.

Given that you seem to think whoever was responsible was able to complete some pretty amazing things without being caught, don't you think they seem a little too clever at one moment, then completely idiotic the next?

On another thread early on, I said that Malaysia Air M H 370 went down between 5500 and 7500 feet elevation, in northern India, between Kashmir and Nepal. It may have crashed or actually landed. But the hijackers had their course in hand before they ever boarded. It went from Kuala Lumpur across the curvature of the Earth to Lahore, Pakistan. But for whatever reasons, they didn't fly all the way to Lahore. This was two dowsers, working online. I'm in the Pacific Northwest, and my friend is in Western Australia. With the super secret Brit Nuke Sub lurking about, someone dropped off a few extra pingers a good distance away, so that the Chinese naval assets wouldn't drop hydrophones down to sample whatever sonar was being used in the search. Crush depth of a Nuke sub's hull is around 1500 feet, and the ocean bottom there is 15,000 feet below. So whatever ASW tricks the Brit Sub used, their sub was only in the top 10% of the ocean's depth at any time. They had to trick the Chinese away from where they were working for Nat. Sec. concerns.

Think about this; would you let the Chinese Navy compromise your latest anti submarine warfare sonars? On a Himalayan mountain's flank, there may not be anyone left alive to walk out, for rescue. Also, if India had smelled this rat, and turned off all navigation beacons, then Lahore's airport's navigation beacons, would be something like the proverbial "candle in the window".

Another unmentioned synchronicity is the timing of the Malay PM's "all the passengers are lost" announcement.
Did anyone else notice that the biggest sporting event of the Malay calendar began the next day?
The Formula 1 , Grand Prix of Malaysia began Tuesday March 25th in Kuala Lumpur.
The announcement was made on the Monday of the week of the race.
Petronas, the Malaysian Government owned oil company, is one of the biggest Sponsors of Formula 1 and would definitely not want the mystery of the fate of the passengers hanging over the event.
Many of the worlds biggest corporations are involved in F1 and their owners, shareholders and execs would be arriving in Malaysia the day after the announcement.

If the PM hadn't terminated all hope for the passengers that day, hotels in Kuala Lumpur would have been in the tricky position of having to evict the families of the victims to make room for the race reservations while the mystery was still unresolved.

Has it been [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614932/U-S-pilot-believes-hes-wreckage-missing-Malaysia-flight-searching-satellite-images.html]found[/ur l] on TomNod in the South China Sea - does this area tie in with the early report from the oil rig worker of a plane on fire ?

I've said all along they landed this plane, took some folks off, but then, likely fueled up and took off again and crashed it somewhere nobody will be looking for it to cover it up. By the time it is found, many bodies will be missing, easily dismissed to scavengers, etc.

The facts point to them deliberately avoiding being tracked. No reason to believe they'd need to do this if the plan was to kill all onboard. Wouldn't be needed. But, it would be necessary if landing at a secret location to offload a passenger/s. Just look at that group of techs, for example. A lot of patents there...that would revert back to the company after their "deaths". (yet if alive, you still have them around for other work)

I'll bet whoever is responsible probably assumed it would be found by now...