Harry Reid says -> ‘Something Will Happen’ To Stop Nevada Rancher Cliven Bundy

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Zoyd23

The full video and subsequent rebuttal has it sounding more like a historical comparison.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Anyone else see that the video in question looks to be "cut"
as in paused and restarted? It also sounds like there is audio
missing as well?

a reply to: liveandlearn

Regardless of how one believes about the Bundy affair, this will and has become a tipping point between the feds and state rights. And thank the people for that. The more people who stand for Bundy and the more media coverage, the better for 'we the people', men and women against an unjust law. Hopefully with revelations about Reid, more of our corrupt government will be exposed. Although I have not seen much MSM coverage I believe it will reach a point that they have no choice. Or more accurate, I hope they have no choice. I fully believe that it i sites like ATS that keep the story alive. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

I Believe that This Ordeal has become a Tipping point not Only between STATE AND FEDERAL but
Between The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and WE THE PEOPLE.
Some of US are getting really tired of the GOVERNMENT Bullying of WE THE PEOPLE.
Just my 2 CENTS WORTH

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
a reply to: Merlynn

Yes, what does that mean?

Not men and women? Umm, what else would we be?

Anyway, it seems that this may be coming to an end that we all fear. A voice of reason needs to come to the folks in government before we have another Waco or Ruby Ridge....and I fear the people will not stand quietly this time.

Essentially what he has said amounts to "the state is more important than the people".. A very dangerous thing for a politician to say publicly.

If the state is more important, then the people have only the rights that the state dictates they can or can not have. Individual human rights tend to be non-existent when the state rules.

I'd get rid of this guy quick smart if I were you..!!

Bundy only has 160 acres. That is nowhere near large enough to raise the size of herd he has. He is grazing on OUR land and not paying his bills.

Follow the money. It is that simple. Greedy rancher making a simple unpaid bill into a national issue.

People are being suckered into supporting this cheat.

It seems Bundy may have some vested water and grazing rights after all.

Some government documents show up .....

Bundy does in fact have some "Vested Water Rights".....

put "bundy" in the owners name

then click on any on 'Bundy, Cliven D." to see the status.

(the other "Bundy's are relatives?)

__________

And to see possible grazing claims...

(just from one of several Bundy rights) One of Bundy's permits

On page 2 it refers to something "before 1890"

and the papers mention "public domain with grazing rights"

Hmmm.

The more he talks, the deeper he digs...

disinfo.com...

I say open fire and show gun owners..that playing war is a lot different than being in one. Watch the militia run and hide and watch the massacre unfold.

This guy is an idiot....he does not recognize the USA as a country..but then rides on a horse waving the American flag, which symbolizes that country..

originally posted by: Onslaught2996

This guy is an idiot....he does not recognize the USA as a country..but then rides on a horse waving the American flag, which symbolizes that country..

Lemme guess... you must be one of those who get their news from and base their "research" on what they see on The Daily Show. LOL
It is a comedy show for goodness sake! Jon Steward just used some clippings to make fun of Bundy and to get some laughs. Get educated, buddy.

I guess we all know what that 'something' is now ... Harry Reid is pulling out the race card to deflect from his involvement with China and the land grab.

a reply to: xuenchen

Reid is an evil corrupt bottom feeder, when a representative of the people can ridicule the people of his state and threaten another resident of his state and get away with it then" we the people " no longer have the right to complain about his actions.

This "person 'should be recalled or impeached (which ever applies to Senator's) or people need to just be quiet and wait tell its on there door step. If Nevadan's don't have the time or stomach to get rid of this guy the I'm sorry but you deserve him.

This thug is for real and this will not end well, most likely another Waco.

I don't care how you feel about Bundy, its the way this is being handled that stinks.

a reply to: Onslaught2996

So you are advocating a wholesale slaughter of civilians by an agency that should not even be armed over some desert scrub that some cows are eating, cows that may just find their way to your local grocer i might add.

you do realize that the majority of militia members are former military right? So the BLM rent a cops likely do not scare them in the least.

I also get tired of hearing all this " he is using OUR land and not paying for it" well thats all well and good in theory, but just tell me, excactly how is it our land? What can WE do on it? When was the last time "we the people" had any say in anything the feds do? Wouldnt Mr. Bundy be part of WE ? Is he not using it for public interests? I say he is, I am interested in having a steak or a hamburger and he is providing that possibility.

a reply to: Battleline

You're right. We get the government we deserve, although, to be fair to we the people, they did sort of stack the deck in their favor while we weren't looking. People all over the country should be able to vote for everybody running for federal office and not just citizens in a certain district. I guarantee all of these dinosaurs wouldn't be getting reelected every time out. On both sides.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

you dont have to have a licence to carry concealed here; its state law

Trying to stay on topic here, but wanted to reply to what you stated here to possibly keep some people out of trouble. You DO need a concealed carry permit to carry a concealed weapon in AZ, not sure why you would think otherwise.

You can find more info on that here - www.azdps.gov...

As far as Harry Reid, he needs to have the same thing happen to him that needs to happen to 99.9% of our other politicians, and not be re-elected. In some cases, some of these politicians should be tried for crimes, maybe up to and including treason.

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Zoyd23

The full video and subsequent rebuttal has it sounding more like a historical comparison.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Anyone else see that the video in question looks to be "cut"
as in paused and restarted? It also sounds like there is audio
missing as well?

Good call

originally posted by: FlyersFan
I guess we all know what that 'something' is now ... Harry Reid is pulling out the race card to deflect from his involvement with China and the land grab.

Yes! And....it is rather a pathetic ploy especially considering Harry had
the same trouble a few years ago. He had to bow down and call
everyone, and apologize...even to the "Reverand" Al Sharpton!
(Who still owes hundreds of thousands in back taxes).

What a circus!

originally posted by: Happy1
a reply to: Grumble

The key is to go after dingy harry as an individual - he called these people terrorists, in public - go to a civil court and get his billions in personal wealth that he has stolen through insider trading and illegal gov't deals -

Take all of dingy harry's crap - he has a nice little "homestead" in Nevada that can be liened.

The real american people need to beat these "gov't terrorists" at their own game.

The fact that you use the term "dingy harry" tells me that you are a Rush fan/dittohead and therefore a consumer of far right talking points. Frankly, saying things like that completely discredit you and reveal you to be ignorant.

originally posted by: diggindirt

originally posted by: Grumble
Wow, this place has really declined. Do you all get your information from Fox News, or are you actually believing people like Alex Jones?

Here is the reality: this guy Bundy is a cheat. He has stolen from you for 20 years, and yet you defend him. He also denies the existence of the federal government, which is tantamount to treason. He is nothing more than an outlaw and a confederate sympathizer, a scum of the earth thief and traitor.

If you don't love this country, then get the # out.

You say Mr. Bundy is a "cheat" but can you show any documentation for that? Can you show documents concerning his "theft" over 20 years? Have you seen such documents? Please show me a quote where he "denies the existence of the federal government'?
You take the federal government and CNN's word for it that what they say is true? Can you give me link to show that they can document their claims?
He has never been judged a criminal in this issue. The court cases were civil cases.
I'd just be guessing but if an IRS agent showed up at your door and told you that you owed the US Treasury $1.1 million, you'd ask for some proof before you began writing them a check?

Try this: www.sltrib.com...

originally posted by: emeris
a reply to: Grumble

If you think the animals including the family of humans eating plants growing from the soil is "stealing from "you". Then i would say you are the scum of this earth or even less since scum lives in mutually beneficial harmony with its environment whereas you do not. We are HUMAN before we are "American" and so on. A man living peacefully off the earth is not stealing anything from you or anyone else as that is how the real government is set up..you know the one literally holding this planet as well as your body together. If a Human says he does not recognize the authority of any individual or group of individuals to impede the very laws of this planet and species of which we are a part and you get upset by that..then perhaps you just have too small a perspective and consequently too large an ego

So what you are implying is a sort of communism, right? We all have the right to any of the blessings of the earth because we all own everything collectively? Well, despite being completely contrary to our culture, our society, and the laws of our country, that notion is simply unworkable and unrealistic. Every square inch of America is owned by a person, a trust or estate, or an organization of some sort. That is how we divide things up, and it works very well, especially when, for example, I decide that I have a right to take all the food out of your garden, because, hey man, I am a human and I want to live peacefully off the earth. I can't have it? Dude, you are harshing my buzz!

Just wanted to mention that I read recently that the other ranchers in the area already got bought out for the solar energy project, Bundy was taking a last stand. What happens is that the government will pay people for the use of their land, it's called a "conservation easement" and is often employed by the government in land grabs to support Agenda 21. In this case Harry Reid was doing a dirty dealing with foreign energy company of China and the whole Bundy ranch raid was under cover of Agenda 21 desert tortoise habitat. Doubly dirty in my view.