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originally posted by: Sremmos80
originally posted by: maxzen2004
a reply to: DietJoke
A family in New Jersey is suing a school district because they say the words "Under God" violates the state constitution.
This is why I think it's political, so please give me a break.
Thanks
Seems like they would have a point. Separation of church and state. If you want god taught in your school then find a private school that fits your belief
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: okamitengu
Except when you remove God, you are teaching your atheism to MY kid. Oh, the humanity. See, I don't care about you, either, until you start teaching it to my kids.
Who agreed to make atheism the default?
President Thomas Jefferson - "Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies."
Abraham Lincoln - "The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession."
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: Sremmos80
originally posted by: maxzen2004
a reply to: DietJoke
A family in New Jersey is suing a school district because they say the words "Under God" violates the state constitution.
This is why I think it's political, so please give me a break.
Thanks
Seems like they would have a point. Separation of church and state. If you want god taught in your school then find a private school that fits your belief
OK, give me the tax dollars you force to pay to the public ones to help me pay for that. Otherwise it's good old atheist public schools for my kid whether I want 'em or not.
originally posted by: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
a reply to: beezzer
If religion ran the government like the Christians want, then over half of everything I believe in would be illegal.
Even now, many things I believe in are outlawed in many religious dominated states. Like:
1. Marriage Equality
2. Human equality
3. Sexual freedom
4. The right of an individual to use any recreational substance in the privacy of their own home or property
5. Evolution and other sciences at odds with the Bible
6. Abortion
7. Birth Control
8. Religious freedom for all
That's just off the top of my head. If the Christians had their way, this thread couldn't contain all my beliefs that would become outlawed.
originally posted by: interupt42
But don't forget to give back the Tax breaks the church gets when it forces the atheist to carry the burden of the taxes as well.
originally posted by: tsingtao
originally posted by: solomons path
originally posted by: beezzer
originally posted by: Cuervo
originally posted by: beezzer
The first amendment simply states that government will not establish a state religion.
I haven't seen anyone from government saying to believe one way specifically.
Unless you're talking about the cult of government, that is.
But having "god" in publicly-funded schools is a form of endorsement for a religion. If it said "under a god" or "under divinity" or something non-specific, that might be a bit better but atheists might still have a problem with it.
Personally, it doesn't bother me but I totally get why it bothers others.
I don't know why faith has so many so bothered, honestly.
If you don't want to believe a certain way, then don't.
But I disagree when people TELL me what I should believe, or not.
Nobody is telling you what to believe . . . they are saying . . . Keep it to yourself and keep it out of government. A government that was not founded for or by your god. Unfortunately, the JudeoIslamiChristians can't separate the two and why they've been F'n up the world the its advancement for few millenia.
wow! so you mean that without religion, i would be star trekking around the galaxy? beaming down and hanging with orion slave girls?
no wars at all? no hunger? no illness?
i'd have my flying car at least.
i think bigoted views should be kept to oneself.
I have to ask...
Why do atheists need to have their lack of belief out in everyone's face but when someone protests they slip into some sort of persecution complex?
Isn't their lack of belief strong enough in their hearts to carry that lack of belief with them no matter where they go? Is their lack of belief so weak they have to remove the lords graffiti everywhere even though there is practically a church on every corner?
It seems to me that a lot of atheists are very weak and must need constant reminders of their lack of belief when it should be inside them.
originally posted by: DietJoke
a reply to: miniatus
I don't ask God to excuse me! I'm not seeking mercy as I willingly accept my fate!
I KNOW what I did last summer ... so to speak!
If I wouldn't forgive myself I certainly don't think I should expect God to forgive me!
I am a monster ... and I live with that every day ... it is quite hellish already!
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Sremmos80
In other words, it doesn't actually; it's just the SCOTUS decidedly to pretend that it does.
By the way, what do you suppose "make no law prohibiting the free exercise thereof" means?
Does it mean that I can exercise my religion on a public grounds? Or would that be construed as state establishment if they allowed me to do so because that seems to be the interpretation these days ...