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Are Atheist just a cover for Satanists?

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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:03 PM
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a reply to: amazing

Would you try to remove "Under God"?




posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: maxzen2004
a reply to: DietJoke

A family in New Jersey is suing a school district because they say the words "Under God" violates the state constitution.

This is why I think it's political, so please give me a break.

Thanks



Seems like they would have a point. Separation of church and state. If you want god taught in your school then find a private school that fits your belief
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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:07 PM
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I don't believe Atheists are threatened by the word God. They do not "believe in nothing" or are a group who have no beliefs that are spending big money to remove God. Atheists don't believe that you have to believe in a higher power to be a good, moral person. They find fault with religions that tell them that if they don't believe in God or a higher power, then they are bad person/sinner/will burn in hell for eternity, or as you have drastically assumed: Satanist. It is just my opinion, but the mindset that you appear to have of "Atheists don't believe in the God that I worship, therefore, they oppose my God" is probably what most Atheists are against. I'm not an Atheist, but I agree with a lot of things they believe.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:07 PM
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a reply to: maxzen2004

Please link us to a news article or ATS thread detailing such things ok!

And I bring a counter argument that atheists are satanists ...

Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too! (catholic.org)

Now if catholics make up a large bulk of christianity and their pope directly implies that they are not satanists, i.e. they can end up in heaven, then how do you explain your claim, that atheist are satanists, in the light of that information?


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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:08 PM
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You make a good and reasonable point.

Atheism is a religion and the followers are just as devote as those of other religions.

They try to push their beliefs on others in a more extreme and radical way than most other religions.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80

originally posted by: maxzen2004
a reply to: DietJoke

A family in New Jersey is suing a school district because they say the words "Under God" violates the state constitution.

This is why I think it's political, so please give me a break.

Thanks



Seems like they would have a point. Separation of church and state. If you want god taught in your school then find a private school that fits your belief


Where in the Constitution does it say, "Separation of church and state?"



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: BaneOfQuo

Communits destroy churches an disbelieve in any God, they are Atheist.

Well, the government.

I believe some atheist are Satanist, if you are one, well it your right.

Don't say your an Atheist but worship the Pentagram and the Devil.

You are either one or the other.


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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:12 PM
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Wow. I don't know where to begin. Laughing or crying at this nonsense.

God is being "legally" removed from schools because legally, "God" should not be in schools. Or courthouses. Or other publicly funded institutions. It's what churches are for. Ever heard of the first amendment? Separation of church and state?

That atheists are Satanists is also laughable, seeing how they don't believe in either spook. Not to mention, you really don't know what Satanists really are, only your imaginary image of them.

Nor is God "American". God, aka, Jehovah, Yahweh, ect, is a bronze age tribal deity. And if you actually had any understanding of your own faith, you would understand that sports are about as far removed from "God" as anything. The Hebrews, the people who concocted this whole fable, considered the worship of bodies and athleticism something ungodly heathens did.

Honestly, atheists really could care less whether or not you wish to pray to some imaginary being, or live your life by the morality of a desert tribe who promoted slavery, genocide, rape, murder, and war at the command of said imaginary being. What atheists, agnostics, and even many religious believers do care about, is you and your ilk trying to make public policy and law based on myths and fairy tales, and create a theocracy to force this archaic nonsense \ddown everyone's throat. Really, we do not care what you do with your own life, or what you want to believe in. No one is stopping you from going to church, and if you want your kids to go to a religious school, feel free to do so. But don't use public money and resources to promote your beliefs, especially when they are at odds with an ethical, healthy, functioning society.

In other words, keep your madness to yourself, please.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:14 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Sremmos80

originally posted by: maxzen2004
a reply to: DietJoke

A family in New Jersey is suing a school district because they say the words "Under God" violates the state constitution.

This is why I think it's political, so please give me a break.

Thanks



Seems like they would have a point. Separation of church and state. If you want god taught in your school then find a private school that fits your belief


Where in the Constitution does it say, "Separation of church and state?"


In the Constitution, itself, the closest it gets is the First Amendment:


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Now if you're looking for the precise words of "separation of church and state", you'd have to look at Thomas Jefferson:


Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.

www.loc.gov...

Do you have a problem with Thomas Jefferson?
edit on 22/4/14 by WhiteAlice because: added italics to highlight appropriate text



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:14 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Sremmos80

originally posted by: maxzen2004
a reply to: DietJoke

A family in New Jersey is suing a school district because they say the words "Under God" violates the state constitution.

This is why I think it's political, so please give me a break.

Thanks



First amendment.

~Tenth

Seems like they would have a point. Separation of church and state. If you want god taught in your school then find a private school that fits your belief


Where in the Constitution does it say, "Separation of church and state?"


First Amendment.
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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:15 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Sremmos80

originally posted by: maxzen2004
a reply to: DietJoke

A family in New Jersey is suing a school district because they say the words "Under God" violates the state constitution.

This is why I think it's political, so please give me a break.

Thanks



Seems like they would have a point. Separation of church and state. If you want god taught in your school then find a private school that fits your belief


Where in the Constitution does it say, "Separation of church and state?"


Well if you want to get into the first amendment and how that could be read we can start there. Sure you would be familiar with what thomas jefferson said.
www.allabouthistory.org...

The U.S. Supreme Court highlighted the phrase “wall of separation” in 1878 by declaring in Reynolds v. U.S. “that it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [first] amendment.” Since that time, the phrase has become common in American jurisprudence. - See more at: www.allabouthistory.org...


Tenth and WhiteAlice beat me by a hair
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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:17 PM
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Nope.

God created Satan, and atheists don't believe in god, ergo....

No conspiracy here. Nothing at all here.

In a world of many beliefs why do some supremely obsessed people so rudely insist on forcing their god on others?

That's not a conspiracy. It's just rude.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:18 PM
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The first amendment simply states that government will not establish a state religion.

I haven't seen anyone from government saying to believe one way specifically.

Unless you're talking about the cult of government, that is.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:18 PM
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originally posted by: okamitengu
what a typical black and white view.
the thing is athiests don't see things in black and white, or god and satan.

i don't care what you believe, but don't teach it to my kids, and don't expect to make laws apply to everyone based on it.

thats only fair.

i don't believe in god, I don't believe in satan.

simple


What's wrong with your kids learning knowledge from others that you don't have?



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:18 PM
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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:18 PM
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In the interests of clarity, which god are you referring to?
I've prepared a list for you....
Adad, Adapa, Adrammelech, Aeon, Agasaya, Aglibol, Ahriman, Ahura Mazda, Ahurani, Ai-ada, Al-Lat, Aja, Aka, Alalu, Al-Lat, Amm, Al-Uzza (El-'Ozza or Han-Uzzai), An, Anahita, Anath (Anat), Anatu, Anbay, Anshar, Anu, Anunitu, An-Zu, Apsu, Aqhat, Ararat, Arinna, Asherali, Ashnan, Ashtoreth, Ashur, Astarte, Atar, Athirat, Athtart, Attis, Aya, Baal (Bel), Baalat (Ba'Alat), Baau, Basamum, Beelsamin, Belit-Seri, Beruth, Borak, Broxa, Caelestis, Cassios, Lebanon, Antilebanon, and Brathy, Chaos, Chemosh, Cotys, Cybele, Daena, Daevas, Dagon, Damkina, Dazimus, Derketo, Dhat-Badan, Dilmun, Dumuzi (Du'uzu), Duttur, Ea, El, Endukugga, Enki, Enlil, Ennugi, Eriskegal, Ereshkigal (Allatu), Eshara, Eshmun, Firanak, Fravashi, Gatamdug, Genea, Genos, Gestinanna, Gula, Hadad, Hannahanna, Hatti, Hea, Hiribi, The Houri, Humban, Innana, Ishkur, Ishtar, Ithm, Jamshid or Jamshyd, Jehovah, Jesus, Kabta, Kadi, Kamrusepas, Ki (Kiki), Kingu, Kolpia, Kothar-u-Khasis, Lahar, Marduk, Mari, Meni, Merodach, Misor, Moloch, Mot, Mushdama, Mylitta, Naamah, Nabu (Nebo), Nairyosangha, Nammu, Namtaru, Nanna, Nebo, Nergal, Nidaba, Ninhursag or Nintu, Ninlil, Ninsar, Nintur, Ninurta, Pa, Qadshu, Rapithwin, Resheph (Mikal or Mekal), Rimmon, Sadarnuna, Shahar, Shalim, Shamish, Shapshu, Sheger, Sin, Siris (Sirah), Taautos, Tammuz, Tanit, Taru, Tasimmet, Telipinu, Tiamat, Tishtrya, Tsehub, Utnapishtim, Utu, Wurusemu, Yam, Yarih (Yarikh), Yima, Zaba, Zababa, Zam, Zanahary (Zanaharibe), Zarpandit, Zarathustra, Zatavu, Zazavavindrano, Ziusudra, Zu (Imdugud), Zurvan
China (170):
Ba, Caishen, Chang Fei, Chang Hsien, Chang Pan, Ch'ang Tsai, Chao san-Niang, Chao T'eng-k'ang, Chen Kao, Ch'eng Huang, Cheng San-Kung, Cheng Yuan-ho, Chi Po, Chien-Ti, Chih Jih, Chih Nii, Chih Nu, Ch'ih Sung-tzu, Ching Ling Tzu, Ch'ing Lung, Chin-hua Niang-niang, Chio Yuan-Tzu, Chou Wang, Chu Niao, Chu Ying, Chuang-Mu, Chu-jung, Chun T'i, Ch'ung Ling-yu, Chung Liu, Chung-kuei, Chung-li Ch'an, Di Jun, Fan K'uei, Fei Lien, Feng Pho-Pho, Fengbo, Fu Hsing, Fu-Hsi, Fu-Pao, Gaomei, Guan Di, Hao Ch'iu, Heng-o, Ho Po (Ping-I), Hou Chi, Hou T'u, Hsi Ling-su, Hsi Shih, Hsi Wang Mu, Hsiao Wu, Hsieh T'ien-chun, Hsien Nung, Hsi-shen, Hsu Ch'ang, Hsuan Wen-hua, Huang Ti, Huang T'ing, Huo Pu, Hu-Shen, Jen An, Jizo Bosatsu, Keng Yen-cheng, King Wan, Ko Hsien-Weng, Kuan Ti, Kuan Ti, Kuei-ku Tzu, Kuo Tzu-i, Lai Cho, Lao Lang, Lei Kung, Lei Tsu, Li Lao-chun, Li Tien, Liu Meng, Liu Pei, Lo Shen, Lo Yu, Lo-Tsu Ta-Hsien, Lu Hsing, Lung Yen, Lu-pan, Ma-Ku, Mang Chin-i, Mang Shen, Mao Meng, Men Shen, Miao Hu, Mi-lo Fo, Ming Shang, Nan-chi Hsien-weng, Niu Wang, Nu Wa, Nu-kua, Pa, Pa Cha, Pai Chung, Pai Liu-Fang, Pai Yu, P'an Niang, P'an-Chin-Lien, Pao Yuan-ch'uan, Phan Ku, P'i Chia-Ma, Pien Ho, San Kuan, Sao-ch'ing Niang, Sarudahiko, Shang Chien, Shang Ti, She chi, Shen Hsui-Chih, Shen Nung, Sheng Mu, Shih Liang, Shiu Fang, Shou-lao, Shun I Fu-jen, Sien-Tsang, Ssu-ma Hsiang-ju, Sun Pin, Sun Ssu-miao, Sung-Chiang, Tan Chu, T'ang Ming Huang, Tao Kung, T'ien Fei, Tien Hou, Tien Mu, Ti-tsang, Tsai Shen, Ts'an Nu, Ts'ang Chien, Tsao Chun, Tsao-Wang, T'shai-Shen, Tung Chun, T'ung Chung-chung, T'ung Lai-yu, Tung Lu, T'ung Ming, Tzu-ku Shen, Wa, Wang Ta-hsien, Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang, Weiwobo, Wen-ch'ang, Wu-tai Yuan-shuai, Xi Hou, Xi Wangmu, Xiu Wenyin, Yanwang, Yaoji, Yen-lo, Yen-Lo-Wang, Yi, Yu, Yu Ch'iang, Yu Huang, Yun-T'ung, Yu-Tzu, Zaoshen, Zhang Xi, , Zhin, Zhongguei, , Zigu Shen, , Zisun, Ch'ang-O
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Aba-khatun, Aigiarm, Ajysyt, Alkonost, Almoshi, Altan-Telgey, Ama, Anapel, As-ava, Ausaitis, Austeja, Ayt'ar, Baba Yaga (Jezi Baba), Belobog (Belun), Boldogasszony, Breksta, Bugady Musun, Chernobog (Crnobog, Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog), Cinei-new, Colleda (Koliada), Cuvto-ava, Dali, Darzu-mate, Dazhbog, Debena, Devana, Diiwica (Dilwica), Doda (Dodola), Dolya, Dragoni, Dugnai, Dunne Enin, Edji, Elena, Erce, Etugen, Falvara, The Fates, The Fatit, Gabija, Ganiklis, Giltine, Hotogov Mailgan, Hov-ava, Iarila, Isten, Ja-neb'a, Jedza, Joda-mate, Kaldas, Kaltes, Keretkun, Khadau, Khursun (Khors), Kostrubonko, Kovas, Krumine, Kupala, Kupalo, Laima, Leshy, Marina, Marzana, Matergabiae, Mat Syra Zemlya, Medeine, Menu (Menulis), Mir-Susne-Khum, Myesyats, Nastasija, (Russia) Goddess of sleep., Nelaima, Norov, Numi-Tarem, Nyia, Ora, Ot, Patollo, Patrimpas, Pereplut, Perkuno, Perun, Pikuolis, Pilnytis, Piluitus, Potrimpo, Puskaitis, Rod, Rugevit, Rultennin, Rusalki, Sakhadai-Noin, Saule, Semargl, Stribog, Sudjaje, Svantovit (Svantevit, Svitovyd), Svarazic (Svarozic, Svarogich), Tengri, Tairgin, Triglav, Ulgen (Ulgan, lgn), Veles (Volos), Vesna, Xatel-Ekwa, Xoli-Kaltes, Yamm, Yarilo, Yarovit, Ynakhsyt, Zaria, Zeme mate, Zemyna, Ziva (Siva), Zizilia, Zonget, Zorya, Zvoruna, Zvezda Dennitsa, Zywie
Hindu (72):
Aditi, Adityas, Ambika, Ananta (Shesha), Annapurna (Annapatni), Aruna, Ashvins, Balarama, Bhairavi, Brahma, Buddha, Dakini, Devi, Dharma, Dhisana, Durga, Dyaus, Ganesa (Ganesha), Ganga (Ganges), Garuda, Gauri, Gopis, Hanuman, Hari-Hara, Hulka Devi, Jagganath, Jyeshtha, Kama, Karttikeya, Krishna, Krtya, Kubera, Kubjika, Lakshmi or Laksmi, Manasha, Manu, Maya, Meru, Nagas, Nandi, Naraka, Nataraja, Nirriti, Parjanya, Parvati, Paurnamasi, Prithivi, Purusha, Radha, Rati, Ratri, Rudra, Sanjna, Sati, Shashti, Shatala, Sitala (Satala), Skanda, Sunrta, Surya, Svasti-devi, Tvashtar, Uma, Urjani, Vach, Varuna, Vayu, Vishnu (Avatars of Vishnu: Matsya; Kurma; Varaha; Narasinha; Vamana; Parasurama; Rama; Krishna; Buddha; Kalki), Vishvakarman, Yama, Sraddha
Japan (53):
Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone, Ama no Uzume, Ama-terasu, Amatsu Mikaboshi, Benten (Benzai-Ten), Bishamon, Chimata-No-Kami, Chup-Kamui, Daikoku, Ebisu, Emma-O, Fudo, Fuji, Fukurokuju, Gekka-O, Hachiman, Hettsui-No-Kami, Ho-Masubi, Hotei, Inari, Izanagi and Izanami, Jizo Bosatsu, Jurojin, Kagutsuchi, Kamado-No-Kami, Kami, Kawa-No-Kami, Kaya-Nu-Hima, Kishijoten, Kishi-Mojin, Kunitokotatchi, Marici, Monju-Bosatsu, Nai-No-Kami, No-Il Ja-Dae, O-Kuni-Nushi, Omoigane, Raiden, Shine-Tsu-Hiko, Shoten, Susa-no-wo, Tajika-no-mikoto, Tsuki-yomi, Uka no Mitanna, Uke-mochi, Uso-dori, Uzume, Wakahirume, Yainato-Hnneno-Mikoi, Yama-No-Kami, Yama-no-Karni, Yaya-Zakurai, Yuki-Onne
India (43)
Agni, Ammavaru, Asuras, Banka-Mundi, Brihaspati, Budhi Pallien, Candi, Challalamma, Chinnintamma, Devas, Dyaush, Gauri-Sankar, Grhadevi, Gujeswari, Indra, Kali, Lohasur Devi, Mayavel, Mitra, Prajapati, Puchan, Purandhi, Rakshas, Rudrani, Rumina, Samundra, Sarasvati, Savitar, Siva (Shiva), Soma, Sura, Surabhi, Tulsi, Ushas, Vata, Visvamitra, Vivasvat, Vritra, Waghai Devi, Yaparamma, Yayu, Zumiang Nui, Diti
Other Asian: (31)
Dewi Shri, Po Yan Dari, Shuzanghu, Antaboga, Yakushi Nyorai, Mulhalmoni, Tankun, Yondung Halmoni, Aryong Jong, Quan Yin , Tengri, Uminai-gami, Kamado-No-Kami, Kunitokotatchi, Giri Devi, Dewi Nawang Sasih, Brag-srin-mo, Samanta-Bhadra, Sangs-rgyas-mkh, Sengdroma, Sgeg-mo-ma, Tho-og, Ui Tango, Yum-chen-mo, Zas-ster-ma-dmar-mo, Chandra, Dyaus, Ratri, Rodasi, Vayu, Au-Co
African: 250 Gods, Demigods and First Men
Abassi , Abuk , Adu Ogyinae , Ag, Agwe , Aida Wedo , Ajalamo, Aje, Ajok, Akonadi, Akongo, Akuj, Amma, Anansi, Asase Yaa, Ashiakle, Atai , Ayaba, Aziri, Baatsi, Bayanni, Bele Alua, Bomo rambi, Bosumabla, Buk, Buku, Bumba, Bunzi, Buruku, Cagn, Candit, Cghene, Coti.....
There's more, all equally silly....enjoy



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:19 PM
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There are Satanists calling themselves Atheists, it makes it easier for them.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:21 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
The first amendment simply states that government will not establish a state religion.


That implies that God is kept out of everything political ... even mentioning God is an anathema to SECULAR politics!

I don't like that either ... but it is what it is!



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:22 PM
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originally posted by: maxzen2004
a reply to: WhiteAlice

There are Satanists calling themselves Atheists, it makes it easier for them.



Who are these Atheists?

Do you have a confirmed count? Who they are, where they are?

What they say, what they do?

Or is this ^^ just personal belief?

~Tenth



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:22 PM
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What an absolutely ridiculous idea that stems from an very ethnocentric (or maybe theocentric?) point of view. And, how does this belong in "Political Issues". America is not a theorcracy, no matter how much you proclaim it to be. In this country, we not only freedom of religion, but from. No one religion or ideology is to be promoted above or below any others . . . it is a personal matter, not a matter of public practice. This is very hard for Christians to believe, but America was not founded as a "Christian Nation" . . . you are conflicting the pilgrims with the ideals of those that founded this country.

“I am for freedom of religion, and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal
ascendancy of one sect over another.”

Thomas Jefferson --Letter to Elbridge Gerry, January 26, 1799



Atheists do not believe in the supernatural . . . period. Be it gods, fairies, demons, monsters, or spirits. So no, atheists are not "satanists" as they do not believe in such an entity. Of course to zealously blinded believers . . . this seems to be evidence to support their delusions.

If you are a Christian . . . 70% or the world disagrees with you. 80% for Muslims, Hindus, Atheists. 90% for Jews and Animists.

“Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion…. Let us reflect that [the world] is
inhabited by a thousand millions of people. That these profess probably a thousand
different systems of religion. That ours is but one of that thousand.”

Thomas Jefferson --Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781 – 1785


Your chosen "god" doesn't belong in publicly funded enterprises. Enterprises funded and utilized by all religions and creeds. It's not just Atheists that don't want to put up with Christians forcing their values on the rest of the country . . . it's Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, Wiccan, Druid, etc. etc.

“Our laws have applied the only antidote to [religious intolerance], protecting our
religious, as they do our civil, rights by putting all on equal footing. But more remains to
be done, for although we are free by the law, we are not so in practice. Public opinion
erects itself into an inquisition, and exercises its office with as much fanaticism as fans
the flames of an Auto-da-fé.”
Thomas Jefferson --Letter to Mordecai Noah, May 28, 1818
(an Auto-da-fé is the public burning of a heretic)


Again . . . Christians are free to exercise how they choose and no one is stopping Christians from practicing or curtailing their right to spout utter nonsense about other beliefs. Your freedoms are intact. However, this is not a Theocracy and it's time we removed religion from politics . . . History shows us what happens to religious freedoms or any freedoms when we live under a Christian Theocracy . . . It's the reason many had to move and establish America.

The pledge, dollar bill, etc that reference "God" came about much later after the founding of this country and is founded on a now longer sung stanza of the Star-Spangled banner and wasn't widely used until after the Civil War. It was bandied about by soldiers as a battle cry and soon after started to show up in the mouths of politicians. The fact that some influential Christians were able to insert the phrase unto some documents and songs . . . well, that stands against everything the founders believed in.

The revisionist history is strong with you.




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