Are Atheist just a cover for Satanists?

originally posted by: alienreality

originally posted by: freedomSlave


Do people like you even truly understand what freedom means?

Freedom means being able to do things and say things in front of others without being harassed or whatever, unless it is something that bothers a liberal, or an atheist, or a republican, or a Christian, or a Muslim, then that means serious trouble.

You can say whatever you want to say...its your right.
Its my right to tell you to stfu, to ignore you, marginalize you, and if I have a website, radio station, or anything else privately owned, simply censor you.
But you can say whatever you want to say and think whatever you want to think (within reason..fire in a theater kinda thing excluded and other reasonable limits)

Op: I think that atheists really dislike the idea of their being a God, because they want to feel like they are in total control of their destiny and don't want someone telling them there is a higher power they could be answering to someday.

Incorrect. I quite like the idea of someone keeping score. All those random acts of kindness, paying it forward, and -genuinely- being a good person not for point scoring, but because I get happy about making someone smile sounds great...if that's the case, cool..but I do good things to be a person I would want to know...not because I fear some sky daddy spanking me at the end of all this if I do otherwise.
I simply appreciate people.
As far as my destiny...its my opinion that its unwritten regardless of the status of a deitys existence...if I am destined for something, then anything I do is without consequence..it is a book I was written in with no ability to alter my path..therefore I have no responsibility for my actions.
So, yes...I am in control of my "Destiny"...but here is the thing. I have to answer to myself every day...I don't need a sky dad to correct me...I have a deep set of principles based on my fellow men. should I screw that up, there is nobody that could be more disgusted in me than myself...and I have done that before..repeatedly...and therefore I try to not step across those principles.

They want total independence from accountability to anyone except themselves..

And again, I can be pretty hard on myself when I mess up.
I am an agnostic atheist because there is simply not enough compelling evidence I have noticed to warrant belief.
but...
I do hope there is one. I would quite like that, for the reasons you actually mentioned..that three is some being that can look at the life as a whole and see what motivated me.
And if I am damned, then in all honesty, that is not a being I would want to be around for any extended period of time anyhow..because that would mean honest love of others and principles to focus in on helping each other is not a big thing..that the most important thing is to worship said being..and that is..small...very small..ceasar demanding a gigantic statue of gold of himself while the citizens starve type small.

That's what I have observed, but there are most likely other reasons.. It illustrates what total and complete selfishness is. and anyone can be selfish so this isn't an attack on atheists per se.

That's your opinion.
and of course, your opinion is wrong...so absurdly wrong it could actually become a textboox example on what the term wrong means...but hey, your opinion..awesome

They on the other hand are very against anything Christian to the point of violence and vindictive attacks.

Your lies, according to Christianity, will be brought up on your judgement. Worse, your lies are being used religiously...

Just remember to love them anyway, they need love like everyone. Especially these days

Athiest mob attacks

Finally you say a single line that actually makes sense..pity everything before shows you purposefully spread lies, venom, and confusion.

a reply to: WanDash

Thank you, your response means a lot. Yes, once i stopped waiting on God to fix my life and started fixing things myself, life got a whole lot better.

It certainly had an impact on how I raised my children, especially when all their relatives wanted to take them to church and so on.
One day when my daughter was about 8 or 9 she asked me what I believed. I told her, and she responded, "Then I will believe the same as you, mom."
I told her, "Don't you dare, don't ever believe something just because someone else does. Not every belief is right for every person. What I believe is based on my experiences in life. Before you decide what you believe, make sure you know what is out there. Do your own research and come to your own conclusions. If you end up choosing to believe the way I do, you better be prepared to give me a full explanation why. I expect that same with any other belief that you may choose."

originally posted by: Ironclad2000

originally posted by: brazenalderpadrescorpio
a reply to: DietJoke

I think it's well placed because the atheists are consistently making this a political issue.

That's because religion has no place in politics or in the running of a country.

Your god is the most petty, selfish, egotistical, spiteful and vengeful of gods and your religion and the beliefs that most Christians follow are just as bad.

Why would I follow a god that destroys cities because the people there are gay, or kills millions with a flood to destroy a few who refuse to believe his lies and worship him blindly.

Also Christians are pretty un-intelligent. You'd have to be to believe in a fairy-tale and insist that the earth is just 5 thousand years old.... lol

yawn and your peoples are the same, so what.

un-intelligent yes, and it's 6000 years old, dude. not 5.

originally posted by: tsingtao


how else would you get rid of religious influence? or stuff you don't care to hear or see?
i don't want to hear beeber or gaga, should i take them off the airwaves?

Easy. Turn the station. Radio is privately owned.

what about enforcing your beliefs on everyone?
this is a power grab. why don't YOU people keep it in YOUR home?
banning in the public sector, same thing.

Funny thing is, I don't blast my beliefs in public. Nor do I care if someone wants to ramble on about the Bible in some public park.

However, when you start trying to deny others the same rights because of your religion, that's where the limits of your freedom of religion end.

do you realize what you said?
"It must be, since most religious people seem to think depriving them of power and control over everything equates to banning."
prove religious people have all that (in the US) lol!

who decides what i am supposed to like or not? you? joe blow?

No one cares what you like or don't like. I only care when you start preventing others from doing what they like.

I wonder if God would removed beer, and to kneel before wine.

I wonder if you would revolt, like the prior angel of darkness, a long time ago, although not the beginning of creation.

lol.

Would your love of beer, transcend your love with God? Woulds't thous revolt against the creator as well as the destroy of...Well everything.

Lol.. Well, being an atheist means not believing in satan either. No god, no satan.. Personally I see religious people as weak. It's easier to put your faith in a divine power, than having faith that YOU yourself will make it and pull theough the difficulties you face. Strength can come from inside as well.. Also it's very comforting to find forgiveness in god when you do something wrong. It's alot harder to live with your choices than seek forgiveness from someone that always forgives.

More people have been killed in the name of God(s) and religion than all the world wars put together. So If God exists then the church, moskes and gods houses must be the work of satan, not god.

Not even going to start on "holy war". No matter what war people involve god. If there really is a god he should be outraged over all the people that kill with and in his name!

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: WanDash
a reply to: SaturnFX
Not going to discuss your specific points/jests/etceteras...but...
Excellent post, thoughts and responses!
Thanks!

I simply find threads like this to be entertainment overall. very low hanging fruit to comment at. I in a way feel a bit embarrassed by lowering myself to comment, yet at the same time, it is soft entertainment. I do have a sort of nagging feeling though that I am sort of making fun of the village idiot at times, which is a bit classless to do, but at the same time, who knows...if they understand how silly and flat out stupid they are being, they might decide to educate themselves a bit and contribute to the intellectual aspects of society a bit in life.
Unlikely...almost unheard of..but there have been cases.

lol!! HOW BIG OF YOU!

i feel the condescending wash of self righteousness all over my body, like a cool summer shower in the middle of the sahara at noon!
thank you!

it was refreshing.
gross but refreshing.

lol!!

This thread has gone off on a tangent. Listen. Atheists aren't a cover for Satanist. If you want to truly understand the mind of an atheist, watch this short video made by someone who use to be Christian. It's not hard to understand. If you don't want to watch the video, then don't attack or even attempt to judge atheist. Simple.

originally posted by: tsingtao


says you.

sorry but if you want to wash a donkey in a bathtub on sundays in new york, you might run into a problem with the law.

A very good example of why religion should remain separate from government. Otherwise, you end up with retarded laws like this.

sounds like anything goes with you.

It would be more accurate to say: "I really do not care what a consenting adult does with their life. So long as they do not physically harm other persons, their property, or their basic human rights, I do not believe that it should be any of the government's business, either. Any law, or enforcement of such a law, should be eradicated."

Pretty simple. Mind thine own business. If prostitution, drug use, other religions, gay sex, gay marriage, gambling, birth control, abortion, atheism, evolution, promiscuity, ect are against your beliefs, well, the answer is simple. Don't do drugs. Don't have gay sex. Don't use birth control. Don't gamble. Don't hire hookers.

But don't go pounding your bible demanding that the government pass laws to punish or persecute people who do, simply because it offends your moral sensibilities. Just as you have the right to believe in a wrathful god that hates gays, gays have the right to be gay and take part in any secular, government run institution, such as marriage and adoption. This applies to any other group that your belief system deems "immoral".

how bout i don't pay my grazing fees?

it's public land, ain't it?

i shouldn't have to pay.

Then don't pay your grazing fees. Though I honestly fail to see what this has to do with the topic on hand?

Given the behavior of Christians, I assume they have been misled by the Devil, and are the real Satanists -- assuming Satanists are evil and plot the destruction of human kind.

This theory has been around a long time; try reading Young Goodman Brown by Nathaniel Hawthorne.

Atheists aren't afraid of the word "god". What atheists fear are oppressive laws and messed up public policies created by persons trying push their religious beliefs on everyone else.

a reply to: maxzen2004

I starred and flagged you because I guess they call me an aetheist. (I'm trying to make people laugh and lighten up a potential arguement among members in my reply, remember religion and politics are two hard passionate subjects please understand this first off...)

Please don't categorize us all as lunatics. Only the ones that have an issue with others are the "jihadist aetheists!" Meaning those who hijacked the term aetheist to demoralize society, shun people because they want to have a belief, and they are giving the real ones like myself a bad name (Hell muslims won't speak out for their kind, but i will for mine at least)

Here's an aetheist from my perspective...
A person who doesn't believe in the traditional beg for mercy and hope lightning never hits you because you looked at some hot cocktail waitresses chest and wished she was sitting on your lap, (yes I'm a pig too) or that there is an all powerful "flying spaghetti monster" that knows and sees everything we do, everyday, at every given point in time, let's be real that is the government -not a deity. (although I seem to see a lot of similarities on parting the seas, if you listen to our current president!)
REAL aeheists do not "worship" and we do not have a problem with people who "worship" whatever they believe in, be it a statue, a cross, a carpet, a can of coke or that you need to practice your abdominal crunches against a wall in Israel. If it makes you feel better, more power to ya! I just personally feel AI don't need an organized religion to answer my questions in life. I respect you, and have no issue with what you do in your daily life.

If you want to say "one nation under god" because that is the American thing to do, I say it too. That's how I learned it after all...It's only American, anything to the contrary is unamerican. If we are together and you want to say a prayer, I don't care. If you ask me or sort of assume I should join in, why would I dis-respect you by not joining in?? Hey if it makes YOU feel better about life, it makes me feel better, why should I tear you down for it? If I met the pope and he wanted me to join him in prayer i would, because he asked and I can tell everyone I did, he seems like a pretty cool guy and he's famous and not a Kartrashian!

I love Christmas decorations, tons of colorful lites and a tree with a big angel on top, why would you have it any other way?? Mom brought me up that way, and I want MY kids to form their own opinion about what they believe, not because I GAVE IT TO THEM. Actually my wife is very religious, and one of the kids doesn't believe in christianity, but the other two do. Who am I to tell them -AS A RESPONSIBLE (think about this) PARENT what THEIR free will should be??? The spirit of christmas is about doing good unto others for me, while it is about the birth of Jesus for others -not whining because their lives are empty and forcing people to take down their nativity scenes, BUT YET STILL GIVING GIFTS TO THEIR KIDS, DON'T TELL ME YOU DON'T AETHEISTS!!!. Some displays are pretty nice.

I think Easter is a bad one, that's when the welfare aetheists come out, so the easter bunny has to be shot down too. No easter basket or colored eggs...You know the ones, they are the same people that take their kids out for Halloween without a costume expect to get candy for their kids, but yet leave their porch light on so other kids waste their time standing at their door for 10 minutes and no one answers??? They usually stay in the expensive car cuz they don't walk, block your driveway, and leave candy wrappers all over the street in front of your house, while they raid their kids candy as they run all over the neighborhood and then bitch because no one gave them any large candy bars?? You see them at the grocery store, using their EBT cards, wearing a fur coat, playing with their Ispyphone while their kid stands there in pajamas, bear feet and the sniffles???

Yeah that's not really us. The Jihadist Aetheist would like to think so but sorry to say, they are nothing but worthless douchebags.

Please don't categorize those morons with US real ones. Actually the real ones, you never hear from, only the unemployed lunatics.

If you have a belief and it gets you through your day, great just don't preach it, and don't push it on me that's all and , and I won't either. If we don't have commone ground to talk, respect and deal with each other as humans then what do we have??

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: tsingtao

originally posted by: liejunkie01
a reply to: maxzen2004

? How many children with Atheist parents find faith in God?

I am a non believer. My woman is a believer. My children go to church with her. When they get a little older I will explain my stance on religion, but for now I am fine with the way we all are.

We don't argue about it, we know where each of us stands.

Why does my stance on religion bother you so much? Why can you not live your life and let people live theirs?

Atheists get all the blame, "we push our views on others", this is the most double standard rhetoric that gets thrown around by the believers in faith.

Maybe, just maybe that some people would like to live their life, free to make their own choices, without being reminded that we are wrong, going to hell, need to pray, being blamed for the doings of others, and so on. It has taken many years of maturity for me to understand where and why people such as yourself come from.

And the answer that I have come up with is fear. Fear of the unknown. I choose to live my life not in fear of what may or may not happen when I die, i'll be dead.

So please live your life, and i'll live mine.

Thank you.

"And please stop blaming me for everything, it is not my fault the world doen't operate the way YOU THINK it should."

yeah, that's the whole problem, ain't it?

goes both ways, right?

you don't, i do. now what?

what do you give up? what do i give up?

do i force you to look? or do you force me to take it down?

the color of your house is offensive to me. change it.

I am perfectly fine with God being on the money, pledge, in courthouses, and other things state sponsored and tax paid for.
I simply want a compromise.
Change the name from God to Allah.

Deal?
ok, maybe not today, but as islam becomes more prominent, then we can change it..right? maybe put prayer mats in schools, etc...

in 100 years, they will be thanking you for being so accommodating towards whatever "non denominational" deity praise being pushed forward for sure verses commonsense safeguards against any religion influencing politics.

That weird defensiveness you are experiencing by reading this...yeah..thats what the actual problem is overall.
Still wanting to push religion as part of government? Christianity won't be top dog in the states forever.


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Correction:
Nope..this is the right one

God has many names. specific names for when, where and who. meh.

you happen to think that "god" is strictly christian. a 3 letter word? right?

call Him what you want, just don't call Him late for dinner.

but seriously, you want prayer rugs and feet washers? no seeing eye dogs in taxi's? or at home?

point your asss west 5 times a day? anyway,fine with me.

dance nekkid in the forest? sure, been there done that, 45ya.

yeah, don't think i'd be turning over any power to someone i don't believe in.

it's only a 50/50 chance of being wrong.

a reply to: maxzen2004
No no no, don't you start another which hunt you heathens.

You are to blaim for your own faults no one else. Religion of any kind matters not in school or business. I don't care if you're christian muslim, jewish, buddhist or what ever.

Business and school are business and school.

Atheists don't believe anything, and they should be allowed to do so as you should be allowed to believe in your religion.

a reply to: maxzen2004

The communists were religious, too. IT was also state sanctioned.

Good job being the opposite of that jack ass.

originally posted by: beezzer
"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist".

-The Usual Suspects

I just thought this quote seemed apt in relation to the thread.

Beezer, what is your image of god and the devil. Do you imagine God as a white man with a beard in the sky and the devil a horned beastie living in hell fire? Your a bright chap, so would be interested to know.

originally posted by: Dianec


Do you not think learning about the different religions is important? Are they not an integral part of history and social studies? I believe they should be taught in a generalized and objective manner in order to help build a well rounded knowledge about cultures around the world and major movements. To leave that out is taking an extremist approach and actually serves to not ready our children for the world.

None of that says to teach about religion from a value standpoint - rather a historical and sociocultural standpoint - which in fact provides a more well rounded education.

That is different than teaching them religion. Teaching them about religion would be under the same umbrella as teaching mythology. Teaching them about a religion from a purely academic standpoint is not indoctrination. So long as the subject matter is taught from an informative standpoint, and not trying to promote one religion as superior to another, then it is actually important. You can't teach world history without teaching the impact religion has played in it.

Here are two examples. The first is religion taught in a purely academic context.

"At the time of the fall of the Roman Empire, Christianity had grown from a small Jewish sect to one of the major religions within the empire. This led to inevitable conflicts with their pagan neighbors. Eventually, Christianity became the official religion."

The above statement is fine, because it states historical fact and context.

The following statement, however, is proselytizing, and promoting Christanity as superior and the only true belief:

"The wicked, godless Romans eventually could no longer stand against the word of God, and the Holy Gospel became a shining light amongst dark times. Soon, the truth of the Bible became undeniable, and millions realized that Jesus was truly the messiah, and the Holy Word of God crushed the immoral evil pagan idolaters within a few years."

The above statement is obviously, meant to push Christianity.

Another example:

"According to Christian myths, Yahweh had told a man named Noah that he would flood the earth because it was wicked. He had Noah build a big boat, in which he was to put a pair of each animal in to preserve it from destruction. After the flood, a rainbow appeared, and God told Noah this was a sign he would never flood the earth again. This is the Christian myth of where rainbows come from."

The above statement is meant to explain how a particular religious tradition explains a natural phenomenon. The statement does not hold scripture as scientific fact, unlike the next one:

"Have you ever wondered how rainbows were made? The answer is found in the Bible. After god had flooded the earth, he created a rainbow as a promise to Noah that he would never flood the earth. And it hasn't. That is why we have rainbows. For god to remind us that he won't flood the world ever again."

The above statement attempts to present biblical myth as scientific fact. Unacceptable.

a reply to: tsingtao

They have feet washers already, they are called nail shops. Nice comfy chair, usually has a massage function...

a reply to: maxzen2004

This premise is so absurd I wish I could delete a star and flag from the OP. I find it personally offensive when folks try to shove their religion on me, and it shouldn't be brainwashed into the children of people that don't agree with your religious views. In fact, pushing christianity in schools is about as anti-libertarian a stance as one could take.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

""The wicked, godless Romans eventually could no longer stand against the word of God, and the Holy Gospel became a shining light amongst dark times. Soon, the truth of the Bible became undeniable, and millions realized that Jesus was truly the messiah, and the Holy Word of God crushed the immoral evil pagan idolaters within a few years."

That is exactly why they call me aetheist. Too one sided and demoralizing.

originally posted by: tsingtao
it's only a 50/50 chance of being wrong.

I always liked that idea.
Atheists have a 50/50 chance of being wrong.

Yet as a theist..lets say a specific type..a southern Baptist.
Now, talk to any person in various other Christian type brands of religion and they will suggest how their flavor is correct and others are incorrect (Ask a Baptist about their thoughts on a catholic..watch the sparks fly and how they are all going to hell..same with any other brand outside of their own flavor).
So, for a religious person, with all the possibilities, and all of them being wrong save one. its more like what, a 1% chance they are right?
(oh sorry..Mormon..Mormon was the right answer...rest are all hellbound.).

Just numerically, agnostic atheism is the best bet.