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originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
Again, I would be happy with (rather, content with) a god that comes down and says " earthquakes happen, deal with it"
"starvation happens, but you have the power to fix it, deal with it"
I'm not trying to call God out as lazy (or us as "needy") I'm trying to counter the "proof destroys faith" idea.
But thank you for the input, it makes a little sense to reason that way, just not quite sure it answers my question.
Love, like God is a concept. I gave the example of emotion (love), natural law (gravity) and the spiritual as concepts that humans instinctively try to comprehend and process.
originally posted by: DuckforcoveR
a reply to: sk0rpi0n
Nice way of putting it. Really, the love analogy can ride this thread to the end. I just don't think it quite stacks up to a deity. Love is something we feel, we learn from, we "just know is there" and we have faith in. But love doesn't require anything more than effort
Spiritual laws have to do with things like the nature of the soul, the mechanism of the afterlife, reward and punishment. Like gravity, its the same for everyone.
originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: sk0rpi0n
What are these Spiritual Laws???
Because I think there is at least one significant difference between alleged Spiritual Laws and Natural Universal Laws.
reward and punishment
re-incarnationism also works on the basis of reward and punishment. Theres something about bad people being reborn into misery or as animals.... good people are reborn into nobility.
@ buzzywigs
more time to figure it out. Another chance. Five hundred more chances.
Do-overs in perpetuity.
We just are what we are. We are all doing our best.
no, blame humans for messing up.
If that's not good enough, then the 'Father' messed up to begin with.
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: ketsuko
Because he cares? Because if that makes the difference, it would be a small sacrifice given everything he would gain by getting a child back. Because someone who really loves anyone would stop at nothing, particularly if there was literally nothing they could not do.
while gravity is an ''external'' phenomena pertaining to physical matter... Spiritual laws are internal. We experience it on the individual level. For example, no man cant predict/explain what happens exactly after death. It is solely for the individual to experience and what happens later is between him and God. Whatever happens after death will happen in the way God has planned it...whether you believe or not will not change it.
originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: sk0rpi0n
Ok, but I think there is a big difference between the two. Where as Gravity is repeatable, universal and has continuity how can you say the same for Spiritual Laws???
imo reward and punishments take place mainly in the afterlife. Good things can happen to bad people and bad things can happen to good people. Its mixed up as a test in this life. Both poverty and wealth can either lead one to God or cause one to stumble.
Especially in the area of reward and punishment??? Or are all rewards and punishments only present after death???
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: ketsuko
Because he cares? Because if that makes the difference, it would be a small sacrifice given everything he would gain by getting a child back. Because someone who really loves anyone would stop at nothing, particularly if there was literally nothing they could not do.
I care about my son, too, but I don't perform at his every whim. There comes a point when a child has to learn how to do for himself to some degree, particularly when he gets to the stage where he begins pushing for independence.
If you really seek God with an open heart, He's there. But demanding He perform cheap party tricks isn't getting you anywhere. That's selfish.
expanding on this, I once read a good argument that those who are wealthy have a better chance (theoretically) at seeking God and developing spirituality...for the reason that their wealth ensures they dont need to worry about basic human needs...that so many millions lack....allowing them to concentrate on spiritual matter. however, the wealthy usually also end up in the trap of thinking that making more wealth its the sole purpose of life, thereby ruining the potential they actually had to come to God. In the end, a kings corpse is as ''dead'' as a beggars. My point is that 'rewards' or good conditions here may lead to punishments later if one is not careful.
imo reward and punishments take place mainly in the afterlife. Good things can happen to bad people and bad things can happen to good people. Its mixed up as a test in this life. Both poverty and wealth can either lead one to God or cause one to stumble.