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Louisiana won't get the Bible as State Book.

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posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 09:35 PM
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Oh.. I know.. We're all just fit to be tied and ready to storm out in protest. How dare they refuse to further consider this..


BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — A Shreveport lawmaker is scrapping his proposal to name the Bible as Louisiana's official state book.

Republican Rep. Thomas Carmody told the state House on Monday that he wouldn't pursue the measure. He said lawmakers had told him they were worried the bill was becoming a distraction from more important debates, like the state budget.
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Now this isn't a Right thing and it's not a Left thing. People who know the state, know religion is not a political thing in terms of one side having it and the other not. It's just taken to ..well? Silly extremes at times.

I have to agree with other lawmakers. Yes... There is something about a State Budget being somewhat important. I swear I read somewhere that they actually required one on a regular basis....where there is a pesky amendment to a dusty document some folks obviously don't read often enough, which would probably cover this kind of madness.

Louisiana, please, for the love of common decency and respect..... We're a Judeo Christian nation in our values and models for formation. We aren't a Christian nation, per say. C'mon... Really? Someone, help this man find employment far far from anything related to Government before the madness spreads like a virus.




posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 09:44 PM
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Yes, I heard about this the other day ...... today they showed it on our news! I'm glad he is dropping it, it is ridiculous that he even tried to make it the state book IMO, we have many.. many more issues here in Louisiana to worry about, rather than a silly book becoming the official state book!



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 09:54 PM
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a reply to: WhoDat09

No kidding. The level of BS distraction being thrown up is where I'm starting to wonder if they actually DO care about the individual issues or if the extremely combative nature is the whole goal. It keeps everyone on edge, mad about something no matter the side, and jumping from one mad to another. Simply put...it sure makes for citizens too tired to notice or care much for what all is happening.

Not good in that sense. I mean..did this guy ever really think this would pass? How about the Quran for Michigan or the Torah for a state. Oh..yeah..I can really see how this could ever have worked. (rolls eyes)

..and to think, he received salary time for what it took to think this up.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 02:23 AM
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a reply to: Wrabbit2000

It would really be a good idea to return to the moral values of the Bible. Our society and nation began breaking down in earnest when we took God out of the schools, allowed a culture of pornography, Devil-worship, and extremely loose values to pervade.
Our money has "In God We Trust" not Allah or Satan or Mother Earth or any of the planets. God has been laughed out of the conversation, just like He is being here.
The Bible would do well to be any state's book, and it would do well for our nation to repent and return to God. Of course that isn't going to happen. But when we cry about how we have a muslim President, and then say how silly it is to believe in a book called the Bible, we have no room to complain because we ASKED for what we are getting as a nation when we turned away from God.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 02:29 AM
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I'm bummed.
My state doesn't have a state book.

I'll vote for Ringworld!
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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 02:31 AM
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a reply to: Phage

careful what you wish for



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 02:32 AM
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a reply to: sirhumperdink

I did add a bit to my post.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: AreUKiddingMe

I will agree in one way. I would like to see society in general return a WHOLE lot closer to the Judeo-Christian values we were founded on. Today, even child rape and general murder can find people who will, shockingly, make solid and well considered (I didn't say well reasoned) arguments for why we view it too harshly. It's....surreal at times. Like living in a nightmare version of the nation I grew up to love.

Having said that, I can't help but think of the saying...'You can't go home again'. Oh..is THAT one ever true. We'll skip how I learned the truth of it in personal ways, but in this sense? We can never return to the America of the 50's. If NOTHING else...we are many tens of millions of people from all over the globe...past the nation that was so like minded and pure in purpose, it could exist in the way America did in that period. That seems to be the idyllic period many imagine when thinking of what we don't have now.


The 50's was, for image, beautiful..wasn't it? Kids played with sundown as the guide to return from however far they wandered in imagined worlds or wars to fight. Presidents worked hard to insulate and keep the nasty of daily world junk from the daily life of the people...so we didn't live the daily crap that forms the life of politicians, as we're forced to now. Even law...well, Barney Fife. What more can I say? Who can hate Barney?


The 50's was also racist as hell, terminally dangerous in small towns you didn't live in to piss off a sheriff or other functionary, and outside our borders? Well..those were the days we did dirty tricks which WORKED and people actually understood that abstract concept of...secrecy! (imagine that)..lol

What I'm saying tho is that even 'Home' isn't really 'Home' as the mind recalls it and getting there just can't happen anyway. So rather than chance a past we can never catch again ...I hope we look to how we can adapt the reality we have to what we really want to see...Not mold it in an attempt to turn things back. (back wasn't so good for everyone, anyway)

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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 11:00 AM
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originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe
a reply to: Wrabbit2000

It would really be a good idea to return to the moral values of the Bible. Our society and nation began breaking down in earnest when we took God out of the schools, allowed a culture of pornography, Devil-worship, and extremely loose values to pervade.
Our money has "In God We Trust" not Allah or Satan or Mother Earth or any of the planets. God has been laughed out of the conversation, just like He is being here.
The Bible would do well to be any state's book, and it would do well for our nation to repent and return to God. Of course that isn't going to happen. But when we cry about how we have a muslim President, and then say how silly it is to believe in a book called the Bible, we have no room to complain because we ASKED for what we are getting as a nation when we turned away from God.


Which moral values of the Bible? The one where it tells you to stone disobedient children?

Our money has "in God We Trust" on it because some reverend decided that we needed to recognize God after the Civil War. In other words, back when Christianity (namely Protestantism) was the only "free" religion that was acceptable to practice in the country. Freedom of religion. HA!

I don't know where you got the idea that we were ever part of God to begin with. Our country has NEVER been Godly. We've been fighting wars or military engagements since pretty much when we first became a country. We enslaved a race of people then when we freed them, institutionalized racism with segregation. Pretty much eradicated and screwed over the indigenous populations of the continent. Manifest Destiny, YAY! Let's not forget McCarthyism, where you were arrested or investigated for communism mostly based on hearsay (thought police, fun). Oh yeah and the coup de grace, we are the only country EVER to use the single most destructive weapon ever invented against another nation. Twice. Oh and they were civilian targets. Any of these acts sound very Godly to you?

Also, it's only the Christians who cry about the Obama is a Muslim thing. Which if you click that link will show that it isn't even true, but even if it WAS true, why would it matter what the President's religious views are? It's not like it's unconstitutional to be a Muslim as the President.

P.S. If you believe that us turning away from God is the reason for our downfall then you fail as a student of history and are probably part of the problem affecting our country (misinformed voter base).
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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

The United States enjoys a population claiming between 70 and 80% Christian and/or Roman Catholic. It's something I know many many here dislike if not hate as a world view and set of values to live by. It's something the vast majority of this nation embraces though. They always have...and God willing (however we each define that) they always will, in at least so far as the values which underpin it. Liking the world view isn't necessary..but respecting it is self preservation when 8 out of 10 in the nation around you define their lives by it. Statistical fact isn't hard to get past..it's impossible.

Having said that...There is also a religious Reich in this nation, not to be confused with the Right...and it represents that really ugly extreme we never want to see and what the limitation side of the 1st Amendment was written while thinking about....in spirit if not literal people.

It's a balance between secular humanism that relies on the myth of man having a 'better nature' to rely upon from Birth and a natural feature vs the Fanatic leashing to Religious doctrine as if it is the very definition of life itself, and not a guide to live by.

To each their own tho..and that is the joy of our nation. It's a free one. I can respect the devout Christians I know as they can respect me as a Godless heathen..as some of them good naturedly joke with me at times.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 11:28 AM
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a reply to: Wrabbit2000

True. I just get tired of Christians talking about this magical time in the past when we were blessed with God and could do no wrong. When in reality the dark truth is that we mostly swept the unseemly things under the rug and didn't talk about them or just straight up pretended like we were better than them. The second one doesn't even make sense since we are supposed to be a country of equality. Then because our public morals are different today, all of the sudden these Christians with this skewed idea of history start saying that our declining morals is making God unhappy and that is why our nation is in the gutter. Frankly, I can trace many of the very things causing our country's demise back to the 1940's (MIC), the 1910's (the Fed and IRS), the 1950's (blind and unquestioning patriotism), 1860's (rise of the "natural" monopoly or government regulated ones), 1980's (war on drugs and massive deregulation of banking and businesses) to name a few. You'll notice that these decades are before this supposed moral decline that Christians always harp on. They are all before the modern era though.

It's this unwillingness to learn real history that upsets me, not so much their religious beliefs. Then they use this false history that they "remember" as a guideline to what we should go back to and vote for their politicians of choice accordingly. When we on ATS discuss uninformed voters, THAT is the definition of being an uninformed voter.

ETA: Heck the person I was responding to shows this unwillingness to share equality by lamenting that the President is a Muslim (again an untrue claim) like that matters. We have freedom of religion in this country, why is it a problem if someone holding public office isn't Protestant (I make this distinction because the only non-Protestant President we've EVER had was JFK and that was a HUGE deal back then)?
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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 11:33 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
My state doesn't have a state book.

I'll vote for Ringworld!


I think ours may be The Godfather.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: Wrabbit2000

Yes it's too late to return to the past. Time marches forward. We agree on that. At least in the 50's yes we could play outside til dark without our parents worrying about us getting kidnapped, we could leave our doors unlocked at night, and go to school without having to pass through a metal detector. The schoolyard bully was the most dangerous thing at school, there weren't kids with guns walking in and shooting classmates. You could park and leave your car unlocked and it would still be there when you got back. There weren't crack dealers on every street corner. In class we said the pledge of allegiance with "one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all". Was it a perfect world? Far from it. But it was better. How did we arrive where we are today? We neglected God in our government and personal lives. We stopped reading the Bible.

Things were better then.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: Wrabbit2000




The United States enjoys a population claiming between 70 and 80% Christian and/or Roman Catholic. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...


Why then are the people in this thread and so many others wishing that America would return to Judeo Christian values?



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: windword

That's a good question. Personally, I'd like to know what these Judeo-Christian values are that we have gotten away from that are tearing our country apart. Last I checked, it is still illegal to harm another person in some way (do unto others) and all the ten commandments that don't deal with God are still illegal (except maybe adultery, but it's not like that is a new phenomenon. People have been cheating on their spouses since time immemorial). Personally, if I had to guess, I'd say that these "values" are just made up morals pushed by people with agendas back in the early 20th century or late 19th century that have been hammered into us so long that people think they are immoral (example: drugs).



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
I'm bummed.
My state doesn't have a state book.

I'll vote for Ringworld!


Good choice.

If one could vote for a state short story, I'd vote for Arthur C. Clarke : Reunion



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe
a reply to: Wrabbit2000

It would really be a good idea to return to the moral values of the Bible. Our society and nation began breaking down in earnest when we took God out of the schools, allowed a culture of pornography, Devil-worship, and extremely loose values to pervade.
Our money has "In God We Trust" not Allah or Satan or Mother Earth or any of the planets. God has been laughed out of the conversation, just like He is being here.
The Bible would do well to be any state's book, and it would do well for our nation to repent and return to God. Of course that isn't going to happen. But when we cry about how we have a muslim President, and then say how silly it is to believe in a book called the Bible, we have no room to complain because we ASKED for what we are getting as a nation when we turned away from God.


Which moral values of the Bible? The one where it tells you to stone disobedient children?

Our money has "in God We Trust" on it because some reverend decided that we needed to recognize God after the Civil War. In other words, back when Christianity (namely Protestantism) was the only "free" religion that was acceptable to practice in the country. Freedom of religion. HA!

I don't know where you got the idea that we were ever part of God to begin with. Our country has NEVER been Godly. We've been fighting wars or military engagements since pretty much when we first became a country. We enslaved a race of people then when we freed them, institutionalized racism with segregation. Pretty much eradicated and screwed over the indigenous populations of the continent. Manifest Destiny, YAY! Let's not forget McCarthyism, where you were arrested or investigated for communism mostly based on hearsay (thought police, fun). Oh yeah and the coup de grace, we are the only country EVER to use the single most destructive weapon ever invented against another nation. Twice. Oh and they were civilian targets. Any of these acts sound very Godly to you?

Also, it's only the Christians who cry about the Obama is a Muslim thing. Which if you click that link will show that it isn't even true, but even if it WAS true, why would it matter what the President's religious views are? It's not like it's unconstitutional to be a Muslim as the President.

P.S. If you believe that us turning away from God is the reason for our downfall then you fail as a student of history and are probably part of the problem affecting our country (misinformed voter base).


Is your response to someone who has a different point of view always a personal insult? fail as a student of history, part of the problem?
First, I never claimed to be a "student of history". I know enough history to put it into perspective with current events, and what I don't know I can find out. I probably know as much about history as you, in different areas most likely.
I knew once I posted a positive statement about the Bible, that someone would come along with a comment about stoning children or killing people. If you read the Bible cover to cover, and read everything in context, things become clear.
Your statement that it's only Christians who "cry about Obama is a muslim thing"........well, that is just false. Republicans, or conservatives in general, or Obama-haters, have been the ones to stir up the muslim controversy. It doesn't surprise a lot of Christians, because we know the directiion the country is headed.
And it's not all government to blame. Sure, there is blame there, but personal morality and responsibility is also to blame. We've been looking the other way for far too long.
Over the years the television culture has taught our children how to be homosexuals, promiscuous, drunkards, criminals, etc. The TV has been babysitting the kids and the chickens are coming home to roost.
It's now perfectly "OK" to watch pornography, engage in loose sexual behavior, dishonor our parents, dishonor God,
we have lost many moral standards. This is why our culture is in decay and society is crumbling.

I'm not going to address Hiroshima and Nagasaki in detail here and I don't know all the answers but I do know what happened on December 7 1941.

Slavery was an issue yes and we took land from native americans. Nobody said that moral values resulted in perfection by any stretch of the imagination. You can't blame everything bad that ever happened on God. Unfortunately there are evil forces at work in the world today also.

Yes we have lost much of what America once stood for.

In God We Trust
The contracted "In God We Trust" was first used by the 125th Pennsylvania Infantry as a battle cry on September 17, 1862, during the Battle of Antietam of the American Civil War.[8][9]
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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 02:21 PM
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I thought an official state book was supposed to reflect writers of that state of highlight the state, like a "state flower" exemplifying a flower that was either unique to the state or famous for being in the state.
For example, making "Tom Sawyer" state book of Missouri.

The Bible neither was written in nor has any mention of Louisiana in it so it is a silly suggestion.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc
The Bible neither was written in nor has any mention of Louisiana in it so it is a silly suggestion.


I think they should make The King in Yellow the official book and True Detective the official TV show.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe
Is your response to someone who has a different point of view always a personal insult? fail as a student of history, part of the problem?
First, I never claimed to be a "student of history". I know enough history to put it into perspective with current events, and what I don't know I can find out. I probably know as much about history as you, in different areas most likely.


Firstly, don't mistake my brashness for insulting. I am just blunt and direct about my opinions.

Clearly you don't know enough history if you think that we were ever a Godly nation. The only people that the 50's were nice to, were middle to upper class white males. Every other segment of the population was getting crapped on in some way. You are just proclaiming denialist history and that is why I called out your knowledge of history. It's wrong.


I knew once I posted a positive statement about the Bible, that someone would come along with a comment about stoning children or killing people. If you read the Bible cover to cover, and read everything in context, things become clear.


No they don't. If things became clear after reading the bible cover to cover, we wouldn't have so many denominations of Christianity. Instead every yahoo with a basic reading comprehension has their own idea of what the bible is saying and what it isn't saying. One person you talk to will tell you that the bible is metaphorical then the next one will tell you that it is the literal truth, then the next one will tell you that you have to know where the metaphors are. Never mind all the contradictions in it.


Your statement that it's only Christians who "cry about Obama is a muslim thing"........well, that is just false. Republicans, or conservatives in general, or Obama-haters, have been the ones to stir up the muslim controversy. It doesn't surprise a lot of Christians, because we know the directiion the country is headed.


YOU brought up the Obama is a Muslim thing and I proved you wrong. Also notice that Republicans tend to be Christian? And it IS Christians who bring this point up. Non-Christians (unless they just happen to racist against muslims) would care less if Obama is a Muslim or not. I happen to dislike Obama, but I don't make up or rely on lies about him to quantify my dislike. I just let his actions (or rather inactions) speak for themselves.


And it's not all government to blame. Sure, there is blame there, but personal morality and responsibility is also to blame. We've been looking the other way for far too long.
Over the years the television culture has taught our children how to be homosexuals, promiscuous, drunkards, criminals, etc. The TV has been babysitting the kids and the chickens are coming home to roost.


Homosexuals? What pray tell are the recently acquired knowledge in the social collective that homosexuals exist is destroying society? How are two men loving each other unraveling the very fabric of us? It's not like they weren't doing this before when you guys were ok with hating them (you know something that was considered ok in your glory era of the 50's).

Promiscuity? REALLY REALLY? Dude, you are seriously in denial if you believe that people having non-committal sex is destroying the country. There is a reason that prostitution is considered the oldest profession. Oh yeah, and it wasn't even made ILLEGAL until 1910 with the Mann Act. Oh yeah and there is this from that link:


In Europe during the Middle Ages, church leaders attempted to rehabilitate penitent prostitutes and fund their dowries. Nevertheless, prostitution flourished: it was not merely tolerated but also protected, licensed, and regulated by law, and it constituted a considerable source of public revenue. Public brothels were established in large cities throughout Europe. At Toulouse, in France, the profits were shared between the city and the university; in England, bordellos were originally licensed by the bishops of Winchester and subsequently by Parliament.


You may notice the time period that I bolded in the above passage as a time period that was HEAVILY Catholic.

Oh and drunkards, that is just LAUGHABLE. Alcohol can be traced back to the first civilization, it ISN'T IMMORAL. They even drank alcohol in the bible. Oh NO! People are just trying to have a good time and ease the stress of life? IMMORAL!

And your point about criminals, the reason we have so many criminals in our country is a direct result of the war on drugs criminalizing victimless behavior and the subsequent dog eat dog mentality to corner the market in the black market. End the war on drugs and the crime problem will disappear overnight.


It's now perfectly "OK" to watch pornography, engage in loose sexual behavior, dishonor our parents, dishonor God,
we have lost many moral standards. This is why our culture is in decay and society is crumbling.


Well the rules in the bible about dishonoring our parents were a little harsh, after all they called for stoning your child for it. Pornography? That's just video taped sex, which again there is nothing wrong with. By the way, mr. "read the bible cover to cover", you ARE aware that the ban on premarital sex isn't even in the bible? It takes some word wrangling on a quote by Jesus to even get to that thought. In any case it doesn't matter, premarital sex has been going on for centuries and has yet to destroy ANY civilization.


Slavery was an issue yes and we took land from native americans. Nobody said that moral values resulted in perfection by any stretch of the imagination. You can't blame everything bad that ever happened on God. Unfortunately there are evil forces at work in the world today also.


You cannot blame everything good that ever happened on God either.

You also cannot hold our country up as a paragon of moral greatness when tragedies such as the what happened to the Native Americans exist. That's just hypocritical behavior.


Yes we have lost much of what America once stood for.


Most of the morals that you are lamenting's demise are morals that were created by business interests and then pushed by the busybody Christians reading too far into the bible and trying to ruin other's fun and good times.


In God We Trust
The contracted "In God We Trust" was first used by the 125th Pennsylvania Infantry as a battle cry on September 17, 1862, during the Battle of Antietam of the American Civil War.[8][9]
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What a great battle cry while fighting a war that pitted American against American. "God, please bless my side. I know that the guy on the other side of this field may be my brother, but MY side is more just than their's." /sarcasm
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