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Chicago police face overwhelming gun crime as 45 people shot over weekend

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posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 04:43 PM
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Chicago police face overwhelming gun crime as 45 people shot over weekend


A senior Chicago police officer said that parts of the city are being overwhelmed by gun violence, after a weekend in which nine people were shot dead and at least 36 – including six children – were wounded.


Ronald Holt, the commander of the Chicago police department’s special activities division, said that the city was witnessing “fratricide” among young men who had come to believe “that the only way to resolve a conflict is to get a gun and go shoot to kill”.

“To tackle gun violence where it is overwhelming communities with the extraordinary loss of lives at an alarming pace, we must deal with it as a social disease and health issue,” Holt, whose 17-year-old son Blair was shot dead on a bus in 2007, told the Guardian in an email.

His remarks came as Chicago suffered its bloodiest weekend of the year. Dozens of residents were shot in a series of separate incidents. On the city’s south side, five children aged between 11 and 15 were shot while walking home from a park on Sunday evening.

The four girls and one boy were asked if they were affiliated with a gang, and then shots were fired from a light-coloured sedan, a police spokesman said. An 11-year-old girl was in a critical condition in hospital after being shot in the neck. A 14-year-old girl was in a serious condition after suffering a shot to her abdomen. A 14-year-old boy and 15-year-old girl were stable after being shot in the left leg and right arm respectively. Another 14-year-old girl suffered a grazed buttock.

The shootings occurred less than a mile from the south-side porch where Gakirah Barnes, a 17-year-old girl, died after being shot nine times the previous weekend. “We are looking at whether this could have been a retaliation for previous shootings,” Andrew Holmes, a community organiser, said on Monday morning.


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not really sure what to say about this...

Other than maybe gun control laws protect criminals by restricting access to them by law abiding citizens. The first person present at a shooting is the victim, not the police.

Illinois - You fail.
Chicago - You fail.
Gun Control - You fail
Democrats who endorse gun control - You fail.

Attempting to reduce gun violence by increasing gun control in violation of the Constitution is in and of itself - a crime.
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posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 04:48 PM
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The wrong people seem to have guns, that is a problem. It is not a problem to have honest and normal citizens to have guns.



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 04:50 PM
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Wow...I am speechless. It was encouraging reading a thread created last week about how violence was lower than previous years in Chicago. I think overall we are going to see a steady decrease as that stats were showing but there will be times where it spikes. Stick to the plan and do not ban the right to carry Illinois!



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Not too much different from last weekend in Chicagoland.

Hoodlums were too frozen for most of 2014 so far.

Look for these numbers to remain or grow with the recent increase in temps.


I agree with what you are saying about the gun control numbers, but you have to understand whose turf you are on here...anyone's name ring a bell?



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 04:55 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
The wrong people seem to have guns, that is a problem. It is not a problem to have honest and normal citizens to have guns.


Well said. I can't agree more.

They ruin it for the rest of us who both own guns and abide by the laws and responsibility of owning them.



-SAP-



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 04:55 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

The wrong people having guns is our right guaranteed by the 2nd amendment and all the other supporting mumbo jumbo in the constitution.

You can't mess with religious freedom.
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posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 04:56 PM
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a reply to: watchesfromwall

Yup - and it goes to support the argument gun control does not work. yet the Democrats continue to push this form of control. They use these incidents to push for even more gun control while in reality, they are passing a law that only helps criminals.

Chicago has had serious shootings before in the past... Usually around weekends, holidays and when the weather gets warmer. The one thing all those incidents have in common is the failure of their current gun laws.



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 05:00 PM
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108 Flags and 96 stars for a thread entitled "Chicago’s newly armed residents send murder rate plummeting" posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 10:04 PM

here's the link

Conservative troll fail?



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 05:03 PM
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and here's the quote from the that thread's OP:


Murders in the Windy City have plummeted since the Illinois legislature enacted its concealed weapon carry law, and the state Supreme Court upheld a person’s right to carry firearms outside the home.

The Chicago Police Department posted the city’s 2014 first quarter crime figures Tuesday, indicating the lowest number of homicides since 1958, according to local ABC affiliate Eyewitness 7 News, which reported:

The first three months of the year saw 6 fewer murders than the same time frame in 2013–a 9 percent drop–and 55 fewer murders than 2012, according to a statement from Chicago Police.

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posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
108 Flags and 96 stars for a thread entitled "Chicago’s newly armed residents send murder rate plummeting" posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 10:04 PM

here's the link

Conservative troll fail?


Im not really sure by what you mean when you say conservative troll fail - so please clarify.

Secondly, the article was posted today and deals with incidents over the last 2-3 days. If the information in the other post was valid, then this incident should not have taken place.

So is it a conservative troll fail or is it a liberal lie and distortion of facts when they claim the murder rate plummeted?

How long did it take Illinois to join the 21st century with personal ownership of weapons?



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
108 Flags and 96 stars for a thread entitled "Chicago’s newly armed residents send murder rate plummeting" posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 10:04 PM

here's the link

Conservative troll fail?


In that thread this is stated.



The first concealed carry permits were issued in late February, so the decrease in crime can’t yet be attributed to more people carrying guns. I'm sure in time, we will have a better record of how this pans out.


Time will tell.



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 05:05 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Wait till summer gets here. Chances are the numbers will skyrocket. I think that the thugs leadership are starting to get worried and are trying to consolidated their holdings, (Territories).



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 05:07 PM
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originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: Xcathdra

Wait till summer gets here. Chances are the numbers will skyrocket. I think that the thugs leadership are starting to get worried and are trying to consolidated their holdings, (Territories).


Possibly but the midterms are just around the corner so those thugs can be voted out and replaced with individuals who understand the concept of personal responsibility and the mindset that law abiding citizens should not have laws placed on them because others chose to break the law.



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 05:12 PM
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No argument here!

Just got boiling hot angry and sickened at the Chicago City Public schools union representative just now on TV.
She was attempting to use an argument by analogy about: being given options to a contract or not, it's like being shot here in the arm, or there in the leg, doesn't matter, you're still shot!
Then she laughs and says we're in Chicago! (With the expectation of being shot. Eeeee.)

Culture of Corruption, I say!




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posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Let's examine what you just said:



Secondly, the article was posted today and deals with incidents over the last 2-3 days. If the information in the other post was valid, then this incident should not have taken place.


The post I referenced was from a month ago. As pointed out by TiedDestructor, it was stated that the first concealed carry permits were issued in late February.



So is it a conservative troll fail or is it a liberal lie and distortion of facts when they claim the murder rate plummeted?


Wait, so the evidence SUPPORTING that more concealed weapons = less gun violence from 3 weeks ago is now a liberal lie? Do you realize that you just said that liberals are lying to support your position?
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posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 05:20 PM
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When the regular people are rendered powerless, the outlaws move in and take over. Simple as that. Gangs have been holding people hostage for a very long time in these areas, it won't go away overnight, and it won't go away without a fight. Most good people have been powerless and terrorized for so long, they don't know how to be anything else. All they know to do is keep their heads down, their doors locked, and hope they stay under the radar. Not a pretty way to live.



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 05:23 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Your answer is here -

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 05:27 PM
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Please get your facts straight, read this, doesn't apply to Chi-town just yet:


(CNN) -- A federal judge ruled Monday that Chicago's ban on virtually all sales and transfers of firearms is unconstitutional.
"The stark reality facing the City each year is thousands of shooting victims and hundreds of murders committed with a gun. But on the other side of this case is another feature of government: certain fundamental rights are protected by the Constitution, put outside government's reach, including the right to keep and bear arms for self-defense under the Second Amendment," wrote U.S. District Judge Edmond Chang.
"Chicago's ordinance goes too far in outright banning legal buyers and legal dealers from engaging in lawful acquisitions and lawful sales of firearms," he continued.
Chang explicitly did not rule out other types of regulation, short of a complete ban, in order to "minimize the access of criminals to firearms and to track the ownership of firearms.
"But the flat ban on legitimate sales and transfers does not fit closely with those goals," Chang wrote.
'It's got to stop,' grandmother says after 3-year-old injured in Chicago shooting
The judge stayed his ruling to give the city time to file an appeal.
The FBI's latest annual crime report showed Chicago had 500 homicides in 2012, up from 431 in 2011 and more than any other American city.


&

en.wikipedia.org...

So Chicago has until at least July before gun sales are legal, what the heck are you talking about?!

I'm somewhat local, unfortunately, so I think I know what's up here



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posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 05:32 PM
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And not one damned post about the 45 people shot.

(apologies if I missed one)

But we won't hear about it from the news, the politicians, the tv pundits, the internet usual suspects.

I wonder why. . . . .



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 05:35 PM
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Because they are just poor people. They do not matter.



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