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originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: FriedBabelBroccoli
So I take that as a no, but thanks for the holier than thou lecture.
The entire populace is becoming politicians while I am asking for actual data and literature.
Any particular reason why you asked me, specifically, to produce data and literature on this feminist stuff ?
Because nowhere in my posts did I argue anything on this feminist thing, whatsoever.
My post was completely 100% all about pointing Les Mis to his illogical reaction to an anger inducing situation.
You've just made my case in point about the loss of logic, reason, and reading comprehension.
If that to you is "holier than thou", then so be it.
Ad hominems get you nowhere.
Everyone has moved on from the real issue of the original post to now claiming that LesMisanthrope "slammed the door" on someone, and almost injured her.
originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
Men will not be subordinate? !!!
I could cry I'm laughing so hard -
Please, tell me so I can know too - what is the feminist belief system?
originally posted by: Dark Ghost
a reply to: CranialSponge
You seem like a fairly intelligent person, therefore I must ask you this: why can you not see the "forest from the trees" in the opening post? While you suggest a valid alternative to how the author of this thread could have handled the situation differently, it' s not really what the opening post was about.
The opening post is more about the mindset of certain feminists, where common courtesy and manners have been misinterpreted as man's desire to assert his dominance over women. "I am the Patriarchy" suggests the author felt like the woman was associating him with Patriarchy just because he is a man (guilt by association), something - sadly - certain feminists tend to do.
Instead, the only thing he accomplished was to reinforce this woman's mistaken assumption that the male gender is an ape still swinging from the trees and has yet to learn human-evolved "anger management" skills.
Allowing a door to close on someone "mid-stride" (as the OP specifically said) whilst they're carrying a bunch of bags, is risking the potential of injuring someone unintentionally.
Physically reacting to a situation, particularly in a fit of anger, is illogical and never "okay" due to the risks that may happen as a result. "Crap happens" as they say.
What if the door closing on this person mid-stride caused them to trip and smash their head on the floor ?
The OP allowed his emotions to override his logical reasoning.
In apology for my oppressive act, I let the door go and it closed on her mid-stride, thereby allowing her to struggle with her shopping bags. I walked away in silence as she guffawed and shook her head in ironic indignation.
Do I detect a little note of sarcasm there? You must not have been completely indifferent during the incident, based on your description of letting the door go "in apology for your oppressive act." How did you know she struggled? You must have stayed around long enough to witness the aftermath of your action. Why would you do that? Maybe because you enjoyed seeing her struggle after she scolded you?
I agree with cranial sponge that you could have taken the higher road and made her feel like quite the heel if you had only said something like, "I'm so sorry - I thought I was just helping another human being out, I had no intention of dominating or oppressing you as a woman. Next time I'll be sure NOT to help someone out again, thanks for correcting me." You could have said this while continuing to hold the door so as not to catch her mid-stride. Believe me, that would have made you look like the nicest guy, and she would look like a raving nut bag. By closing the door on her mid-stride, you made yourself look just as rude as her, and you validated her warped opinion of men in general.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
If I enjoyed people struggling with their bags, I wouldn’t have held the door open to begin with. She had two bags I think. She didn’t struggle in the slightest. My relating of the story was conceived after the fact. I didn’t close the door on her; I didn’t slam it in her face; I simply let go of the door I was holding open for her, which, apparently, she wanted me to do.