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originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: luciddream
How about accusing all rational women as ''abnormal'' or accusing feminism of being ''abnormal'' or some tiresome and ridiculous old notion of those supporting feminism as jackbooted militant lesbians. Because that's original huh?
Do you get your opinions from The Beano perchance?
You better go, the Kindergarten bell is ringing!
Modern feminism is NOT about equality. It does not matter how often you and others repeat this lie, it does not make it true. In Western countries, women have the same freedoms and opportunities as men do.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
The other day I had the fortunate chance to hold a door open for another human being. But as I did so, the human I opened the door for asserted that such common courtesy wasn’t necessary, that she “didn’t need a man to hold a door open” for her, and the unconscious act of this benign kindness was in some strange fantastical way an instance of tyranny. In apology for my oppressive act, I let the door go and it closed on her mid-stride, thereby allowing her to struggle with her shopping bags. I walked away in silence as she guffawed and shook her head in ironic indignation.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
... but because I was generalized based on my gender, I was, before ever having known anything about me, objectified into some tool of an illusory patriarchy, the enemy, destined to perpetuate gender-roles and rape culture throughout society by my very male existence.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
What a strange consequence of my being unfortunate enough to be born a certain way. By my being there, I was seen as merely in the way, and even a hurdle standing before the ideals of this woman’s ideological background.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope It would be unnecessary to point out the contradiction and double-standards.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
... or that I should be a feminist, so that I can, like them, promote one gender at the expense of my own.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
So be it. If I am seen as the enemy before being in any way judged on my individual merit, I will gladly play that role for them. Such roles are required to perpetuate the irrationality and contradiction found in marginalizing an entire gender based on specific gender-centric notions. Why not support and justify feminism by acting how they say we act? Why not let them dictate our gender roles and values, and in turn, allow them the opportunity to oppress and objectify their fellow human beings?
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope One might wonder that if society became a matriarchy—the obvious goal of feminist institutions—if they would support masculinism on the same grounds of inequality.
originally posted by: LesMisanthropeHowever, no patriarchy exists here friends. There is only oligarchy...
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
I am the patriarchy, guilty by association. The enemy. You have already assigned me as such. See to it that when you gain the power you lust after, what you nonchalantly call “equality”, that you see me as unequal. Objectify me. Deny me based on my nature. Set me free of my sin.
If this happened to you then there was no reason for her to speak to you this way and frankly her oversensitivity is a little unhinged. If this is how she goes through her life, haranguing men who open doors for her, she must be psychology disturbed and frankly, exhausted. I don't think it is something I would do, but letting the door close on her was appropriate; although I don't know why she would laugh (guffaw), it just seems like she manifests an off-kilter response to pretty much everything. I don't know if it is logical or even appropriate to use a one-off with a clearly chemically unbalanced person as a lead in for why feminism as an ideology is bad.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
The "hatred" is for feminism not any particular gender.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: redhorse
I think that's a fair critique. I do write in vitriol and hyperbole. I cannot deny that.
However, I don't agree that there is a patriarchy nor a matriarchy. To say that there is no women in power and that power is designated to the male gender is beyond superficial, and is likely the result of certain ideologies.
originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: luciddream
I believe in GENDER EQUALITY which by definition is FEMINISM.
Because of this you either suggested my appearance as ugly and /or suggested I would prefer being called ''handsome'' to ''cute''.
Then you suggested you are are a nazi.
There are rules on ATS, about attacking posters, read them.
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
If feminism were truly about "equal" treatment, it would be called "humanism".
Feminism, by definition, draws the line at anything NOT female, and that is discrimination.
The point being, I'm not saying I want women to be oppressed, I am saying I want them to be fair.
Women have a history of oppression. Women have a vast history of being treated unfairly. The "movement" was named for the idea of treating women EQUALLY to men. If the playing field had been equal, then yes, humanism would be a good name, but then there would be no need for a movement.
In your mind, perhaps. But the truth is men fight for the equal treatment of women, too, and they are most definitely feminists. Feminism is the belief in the need to secure rights and opportunities for women equal to those of men.
So do I. But you can't take one angry woman with a chip on her shoulder and use that to represent the REAL feminists out there, like myself and my husband.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: theabsolutetruth
I posted it to see what your equal rights feminism will do to help him. Can you answer?
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
When a man opens the door for me, I say, "Thank you, sir". And I'm about as staunch a feminist as you'll find.