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originally posted by: InTheLight
Why do you assume feminism is to blame and the man simply didn't care about your situation. Also, why don't you buy yourself a wheeled grocery carrier, that's what I would do to ease the load (look after myself and my needs).
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originally posted by: eMachine
originally posted by: InTheLight
Why do you assume feminism is to blame and the man simply didn't care about your situation. Also, why don't you buy yourself a wheeled grocery carrier, that's what I would do to ease the load (look after myself and my needs).
I'm sure he didn't care about my situation and didn't feel any obligation to help, which is completely normal today. There would have been a very different dynamic in the same situation a couple generations ago. What happened? Feminism. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, I'm just saying as a society we're adapting faster than some of us can keep up with emotionally/philosophically. I thought that was fairly apparent all over the place with gender-related issues especially.
Thanks for the advice! It's more convenient for me to take a few bags with me to work and stop on the way home for groceries, rather than coming home to get a wheeled cart and then take another bus trip to the store. My interest in not wasting time outweighs my laziness, by just a tad.
Such as female career structuring that allows for being a woman, such as menstruation (yes it affects many women in many ways that men do not understand). Allowing for the fact that at some point women will normally desire to have children, this should be accounted for with at least a year off work, with various financial options during this period. Women with children should be accounted for in the structuring of working hours, such as fitting in with school hours and allowing time off if needed without any pressure.
Unscrupulous men that were all for the taking have been the bane of my life, I have heard and been accused of all sorts in attempts at denial of my rights, and the rights to my own property from men, such as that they were part of certain patriarchal religious organisations that meant women having less rights, even being accused of being an alien therefore having no 'human rights'. I am a woman and I have rights, at least equal to men, probably more than.
My moral compass points in the right direction as do my ethics. The same cannot yet be said for humanity as a whole nor of the international governments making policies and decisions that affects all of humanity and the entire planet, in addition to the ability for humankind existing on this planet and the very nature of the ecosystem itself. Mankind has not convinced me of any true morality yet nor of any validity as Earth beings.
Another thing that comes to mind... I'm a ~115lb woman and I carry my weight in groceries home from the store on the bus regularly. I have a much larger male neighbor I've talked to on the bus several times. One day I remember particularly, he said to me as we got off the bus, "Wow, you're really loaded down there!". I laughed, said something about buying food for 4 and wishing my kids didn't have to eat so much, and then we went our separate ways.
In my sweaty, hot, loaded-down-ness, I thought to myself how maybe I have feminism to thank for that. Not that I expected him to help me carry my groceries... I wondered if he thought I might take offense like the woman mentioned in the OP did, had he offered to help. It's happened. I don't doubt it. People have alot of issues with gender.
originally posted by: InTheLight
What is interesting, LM, is that there is a lot of speculation as to what others' may or may not be thinking or feeling and no real concrete proof of intention via conversation.
What is interesting, LM, is that there is a lot of speculation as to what others' may or may not be thinking or feeling and no real concrete proof of intention via conversation.
Feminism is equal rights for women as defined by only women? That does makes more sense, although it does still leave out half the population of the world. It is perhaps pertinent that all parties involved have a chance to outline such rights.
...me speaking about feminism doesn’t automatically correlate to me speaking about about all women. I find such an inference a typical knee-jerk reaction of feminists, that I am somehow being sexist against women by challenging the ideology, and that I am an opponent of woman’s rights. That’s simply untrue.
I prefer to value people based on their individual merit.
Passively getting down on our knees and turning the other cheek so it can be slapped by those who oppress is a morality born of a culture of slaves.
Stop judging the man who didnt give you the time!
“Feminism is equal rights for women as defined by only women? That does makes more sense, although it does still leave out half the population of the world. It is perhaps pertinent that all parties involved have a chance to outline such rights.”
Is that what I said? I wonder if you think your tactics are magically invisible? I ordinarily wouldn't suspect you were capable of magical thinking - so you must think nobody is paying attention to the things you say :-)
It isn't me that keeps harping on this - it's you LesMis. I'm the one who believes that feminism is something happily and readily embraced (as well as understood) by many men. Maybe even most men. If you read what I'm actually saying and then also reply to what I said instead of what you wish I'd said - we might begin to have that conversation you keep promising us
“Your first sentence is something that baffles me. What's to define - and why would it be up to men to define it in the first place? This idea...that you see yourself as so completely separate from women that you can't even relate to their position - to the point where you feel you can't even comment on it? This suggests to me that you overly identify with being a man, and not so much a person. You're very protective of your position and your words suggest to me that you see women as the opposition”
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...me speaking about feminism doesn’t automatically correlate to me speaking about about all women. I find such an inference a typical knee-jerk reaction of feminists, that I am somehow being sexist against women by challenging the ideology, and that I am an opponent of woman’s rights. That’s simply untrue.”
But, it is absolutely true. Your entire OP is based on it. You're absolutely focusing on all feminists, and only allow for the rights of women when they aren't acting all feminist-y. How is it you're in such a position to begin with - to look on women favorably so long as they're not feminists - all feminists of course being lumped into one group - that you you don't like or respect? It's time you start being diplomatic and balanced at the beginning of your threads - not towards the end where it begins to look as if you might be disingenuous - and on the ropes :-)
See what I mean? So, what is your real gripe then? That some women don't do feminism right?
How is that even a thread? :-)
It's time you start being diplomatic and balanced at the beginning of your threads - not towards the end where it begins to look as if you might be disingenuous - and on the ropes :-)
I’ll put this at the top in case you may have conveniently missed it for the third time. What rights do I have that you do not?
Wow. So much for the conversation I was looking for :-)
That was a pretty good rant LesMis - and revealing too. But like I said - several times now - not in the mood for sparring. Gonna just let most of that go - which means you actually get the last word. I hope you feel comfortable with where you left all this