Five Reported Killed In East Ukraine Following Ultra-nationalist Attack

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: TDawg61
It appears these people may be heading for a civil war.Nearly 150 years later and there's still bad feelings about our civil war.

When pro Russian forces are mainly Russian citizens / Russian military forces, how does one arrive at the term civil war? A civil war is an internal conflict. This conflict in Ukraine is not internal, it has Russian military forces involved. Putin stated this on tv. The green guys in Crimea with no insignias were Russian military units. We see the same units in the south and east of Ukraine.

that's not a civil war...

that's an invasion of a sovereign nation by another.

it's not an "invasion of a sovereign nation by another", when said nation was INVITED (probably more like begged), to come in and help stop a REVOLT, by the legal, LEGITIMATE head of state of that nation. a revolt that was backed by thewestern nations, something that has become all too common of late.

originally posted by: generik
it's not an "invasion of a sovereign nation by another", when said nation was INVITED (probably more like begged), to come in and help stop a REVOLT, by the legal, LEGITIMATE head of state of that nation. a revolt that was backed by thewestern nations, something that has become all too common of late.

Let's just clear this up shall we - prior to Yukanovich running to Russia, he was impeached not once, but twice by the elected Parliament of the Ukraine and they voted to remove him from office on the 22nd Feb. Rather than face his accusers, the guy did a runner, leaving the nation without an executive. The Parliament then swore in a new, interim President as per the constitution of that nation.

At no point was anything "illegal" and Yukanovich ceased to be the "legitimate" Head of State when he abandoned his position to avoid criminal charges.

a reply to: generik

Getting the right-wing out of the capital to get a few of themselves killed in the east was a good move because they were protesting everyday here in Kiev and the worlds media could not hide the division between the coalition that took control by killing 87 people.

The right-wing don't like us, those in the east don't like us so why don't we get them to fight each other in our master plan.

2-3 or even 5 deaths a day won't ignite this phony war but it will make news and help both sides to push up oil prices and the extra profit from that each day will measure in the billions for each death at these rates.

originally posted by: stumason
At no point was anything "illegal" and Yukanovich ceased to be the "legitimate" Head of State when he abandoned his position to avoid criminal charges.

Nope. Take a look at this for a legal point of view of the events.

Ukraine-Faktencheck (German Spiegel)

Hague has been cavalier with the facts... (The Telegraph)

How William Hague Deceived the House of Commons on Ukraine (Huffpost UK).

originally posted by: stumason

originally posted by: generik
it's not an "invasion of a sovereign nation by another", when said nation was INVITED (probably more like begged), to come in and help stop a REVOLT, by the legal, LEGITIMATE head of state of that nation. a revolt that was backed by thewestern nations, something that has become all too common of late.

Let's just clear this up shall we - prior to Yukanovich running to Russia, he was impeached not once, but twice by the elected Parliament of the Ukraine and they voted to remove him from office on the 22nd Feb. Rather than face his accusers, the guy did a runner, leaving the nation without an executive. The Parliament then swore in a new, interim President as per the constitution of that nation.

At no point was anything "illegal" and Yukanovich ceased to be the "legitimate" Head of State when he abandoned his position to avoid criminal charges.

Hmm, I wonder if Putin and Yanukovich were working with the "west" to ensure ultranationalists seized power (Svoboda) over the Ukraine? Makes sense...