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According to the ranchers’ argument, the federal government “owned” or controlled every territory before it became a state, but once statehood was reached, the land became the property of the new state.
So how is it that the U.S. government owns 84 percent of Nevada? It certainly looks like Nevada citizens are being treated unfairly. It is almost as if Washington, D.C., is treating Nevada like a child that can’t manage itself.
originally posted by: Peekingsquatch
a reply to: Wrabbit2000
Wabbit, with all due respect- Bundy owns the land they are trying to kick him off of that the cows are grazing on. The federal land in question. It was homesteaded, not just the parcel where his house is at.
Source (I don't care for Beck...but he can quote someone as well as anyone else)
Bundy said he has “no contract with the United States government,” and the federal government has “no jurisdiction or authority” on his grazing rights, water rights, access rights, ranch improvement rights or anything else that “belongs to ‘we the people’ of Clark County.”
The rancher took his argument back to the 19th century, when Nevada became a state. According to him, the federal government did, in fact, control the land when Nevada was a territory. But, he claimed, when the territory became a state, the government turned that land over to the sovereignty of the state of Nevada, and thus the federal government lacks the power to control it today.
originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: seeker1963
You bet I know the Federal land issues..and on this one? We'd stand shoulder to shoulder to a line of Feds. I wouldn't have any qualms about standing the line for the cause.
What that shows is obscene. Manifest Destiny taken to sick levels...(of course, some natives would question what Healthy levels are in that doctine..). I'm not looking at the West and Federal encroachment or outright thievery of our public lands from State control. That MUST be addressed, if we're ever to call ourselves a Union of states. No question.
The question is...time and place. Is this the time, the place and the specific trigger to fire on? Can this battle be fought, won and pride taken in it being the RIGHT fight for the RIGHT reasons ...to make possible tragic outcome a thing everyone involved could live with later? No.... I don't think this time and place fits anything like that. The cause tho...keep me in mind and look me up, if a better battlefield comes up. Something where the right side is actually right, anyway.
and backed the BLM off *OUR* land,
Gold Butte, which covers roughly 350,000 acres south of Interstate 15 near the Arizona border, was initially designated as an area of critical environmental concern (ACEC) by the BLM in 1998 as part of a land management plan for the Las Vegas area.
That plan prohibited grazing by domestic livestock in areas of critical environmental concern primarily as a way to preserve the desert tortoise, which the federal government considers a threatened species. At the time, Gold Butte’s assets were said to include cultural and historic resources, scenery and habitat for special status species such as the desert tortoise.