Inmates strike in Alabama, declare prison is “running a slave empire”

a reply to: spirited75

WTF are you talking about????

Who gives a damn where I live and who said I'm going anywhere to fix anything???

I thought this was a conversation about prisons and inmate labor.

But if you'd rather get personal and start talking sh!t instead go do it with someone else and stop making assumptions about who I am and stick your labels up your tight *SS.

a reply to: Merinda

if a private corporation is running the prison,
then they should make a profit.
Wal mart and phillips 66 both make a profit.

you probably cause more slave labor by buying your
clothes at wal mart than a prison ever does.

originally posted by: spirited75
a reply to: jrod

JROD.
I am NOT making a jeer or a put down to inmates or criminals.

I merely stated a fact : Criminals solve their problems illegally.

Criminals do not think like non criminals.

ADD and ADHD do not think like normal people either.

Never said you did, that was your assumption. I have a problem with labeling someone with a 'criminal mind' for reasons I've stated in previous posts.

You make it almost sound like it is criminal to think differently, almost. I think differently.

By non-criminal do you mean a sheep? How do you define non criminal when we all are guilty of something.

a reply to: jrod

read the book "Criminal Minds"
by Samenow & Yokelson

originally posted by: spirited75
a reply to: jrod

do you think that you can draw a clear line between
rapists, murders, and drug felonies?

Lots of rapes robberies murders burglaries
people and property crimes are committed
by criminals using drugs and alcohol.

i would take more time to explain
this but i can not find my crayons.

There is a big difference between a heinous crime and a drug offense. For someone who claims the occupation you do, I am shocked by how juvenile your posts are. It does help explain the problems within our justice system.

Crayons will not help explain to the explosion of the prison population in the US as a result of the War on Drugs.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: minusinfinity
You do realize in some states if you have prescription medication not in their original labeled containers you can be charged with a felony, right?

The justice system is broken, violent offenders often get a slap on the wrist or walk free because of lack of evidence, yet non-violent people are labeled felon's, do lengthy sentences for very minor things such as possession of a certain plant, or having 'loose' prescription Meds.

The prisons are full of people just like you who got unlucky and the got hammered by the court system. It could happen to you!

Total agreement here. Law and justice are two separate things.

Like, what if being a Republican becomes a felony? Or being nonconformist? Or having a tattoo?

Just because something is a felony does not mean it is just to declare it a felony. Helping slaves escape was once a felony. Interracial marriage and sexual relations were once felonies.

Felony does not automatically equal dangerous, violent, or evil.

And I agree with everyone on here who says prisons should not be private, corporate enterprises. No private entity should ever be permitted to hold the keys to anyone's freedom. And the state should only hold them when that person is a direct threat to society.

a reply to: mOjOm

all of the prisons where i worked had prison industries.
picking up trash along the highways, repairing bicycles,
gutting turkeys, cutting trees from powerlines,
by the way the turkeys were tyson turkeys.

not much competition with community industries.

a reply to: jrod

drugs most of which are imported from south
of the border all have someones blood on them.
whether it is pot, meth, coke or heroin.

someones blood is generally children who are
conscripted to care for or harvest the drug, yes even pot.

families are conscripted to guard pot fields in
America by using one family member as a hostage

no matter what drug one uses it has innocent blood on it.

the war on drugs is what it is.

interesting that you find my posts juvenile.

a reply to: spirited75
1 Louisiana 1619[3]
2 Alabama 735
3 Oklahoma 661
4 Texas 639
5 Mississippi 634
6 Arizona 567
7 Florida 557
8 Georgia 540
9 South Carolina 519
10 Arkansas 511
11 Missouri 509

looks like the states with the highest per capita
incarceration population are the border states
where a massive majority of drugs are imported into the states.
makes sense to me.

drugs: pot coke meth heroin are all against the law.

pretty impressive police work in those high capacity states.

just about what one would expect.

the exceptions are Kalifornia and New Mexico

a reply to: spirited75

Yah, they also help the forestry fight fires, make license plates and a bunch of other stuff too. More recently these work programs have expanded to be able to outsource work to private corporations too. These private industries then contract their labor force from the prisons rather than hire people from the outside because they save massive money using the prison labor. This in turn makes it harder for other businesses to compete.

I'm not making this up, it's just a fact. I'm not exactly passing judgement on it yet either. As for the prisoners themselves, almost all of them want to work anyway. They'd be bored to death if they couldn't. The ones that fight forestry fires Love it even though it's hard work but it's nice to be out in nature again and all that. They work those guys hard too. Personally I think the problem comes from the fact that it allows special and unfair competition in the market because they can undercut the labor costs from those who can't hire prisoners at slave wage prices. That means they will never be able to compete because the market is rigged. (Perhaps Liberal isn't the correct term to use when trying to label me next time.)

all of the work that both you and i listed, except for gutting turkeys
merely reduced the government labor required.

a reply to: mOjOm

what do prisoners do that competes with private enterprise?

originally posted by: spirited75
a reply to: mOjOm

prove it

I've already given the links to the .gov sites for it. Why don't you just go click it!

It's not like it's a secret or anything. It's government work programs for prisoners. You said you work in prisons, how do you not know of it????

a reply to: mOjOm

federal prisons.
vs
state prisons.

the worst infraction i could find was a
military clothing assembly company in Tennessee.

a reply to: jrod

you use a lot of words in pointless frenzy.

most drug related criminals have three or four felony drug
arrests and convictions before they are inmates in a prison.

originally posted by: mOjOm
You only go to prison because you messed up real bad, huh???? You only go because you break the law, right??? Tell that to these guys:


First Prosecutor Jailed for Deliberately Convicting Innocent Man

Innocent man savoring new life after 24 years in jail

In prison for 34 years but innocent: LA man walks free after murder conviction is tossed out

There are probably a thousand more easily available for anyone to see and probably 10's of thousands that have just gone by without anyone noticing.

Some people are so f**king clueless and naive about the world it's amazing.

Nobody goes to prison without breaking the law??? Wake the f**k up you ignorant child. I'm shocked that some long time members here actually have that opinion too.

Try checking out:
www.innocenceproject.org...

you give us three examples and then guarantee that there are thousands,
no tens of thousands of cases of innocent people in prison.
I call BIG TIME BS on this.

I am of the simple logic that
someone who exaggerates is a liar.

by the way, exaggeration on an emotional hysterics is a liberal progressive socialist tactic.
just wish you could have included the plaintive "it is for the children" meme but it would not fit here.

a reply to: Bassago
go read the constitution.
Hint 13th amendment.

the inmate who is a spokesperson for this work stoppage is currently in solitary confinement.
he also illegally has a cell phone in there that he is talking to the press with.

how does that sound for his compliance with following rules??

he does not follow rules in the big free world (society).
so society makes him live in a smaller world (jail/prison), where they can help
him follow more rules and he wont even follow the rules in there.


lets let this poor man out on the streets shall we???

a reply to: spirited75

Okay, throw the emotional card in there with the children killed by the War on Drugs. That is not the prisoners fault, that is the fault of poor policy.

The War on Drugs is a sham. Our prisons are overcrowded as a direct result of it.

a reply to: jrod
no. the prisons are full because criminals, even pot smoking, love peace brotherhood, pot smokers solve their problems ---------------illegally.

problem: I do not like how I FEEL.
solution for criminal: I will do something illegal, (use drugs) to make me feel like I demand to feel.
consequence: several arrests later------prison.
result: boo hoo wahhhhhhhh it is the fault of the war on drugs.