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originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: jaffo
There is a reason we spend three years in law school studying the history and development of things like contract law, property law, constitutional law, etc.
Then as a lawyer and someone who has studied constitutional law I would ask you, do you not see anything inherently wrong about farming out prison labor to private corporations for profit?
Also saying that people come to you willingly is a bit disingenuous. Someone who is starving to death might show up at your house begging for food as well. Doesn't really mean they had any other choice when you have all the food.
Sure I have issues with it. But the system not being perfect does not mean that it all has to be thrown out.
"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"
originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: jaffo
Sure I have issues with it. But the system not being perfect does not mean that it all has to be thrown out.
I would rather throw it out completely than have the prison industrial complex continue as it is now.
"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"
In the US it seems:
"Better ten innocent men suffer than one guilty man get away."
I can read your contempt of the laypersons here, it's pretty obvious. IMO lawyers on both sides of cases are a big part of the PIC problem, along with the corrupt cops and judges.
Just as resorting to ad hominem attacks is a poor way to carry out a discussion. See, that's one of the things you learn in law school...how to construct a coherent argument based in facts and how to defend that argument.
it's not "TBTB" and it's not the Rothschild family or the Masons or anyone else or any other secret society. It's them and their refusal to admit that they don't know what they are doing.
originally posted by: Bundy
a reply to: jaffo
Do you think that laws should be written in such a way that when you are accused of breaking one, you need to pay an obscene amount of money to someone who has studied them for most their life? It would be in the accused persons best interest to represent themselves, because no one has more to lose than you. The only problem is you're going to run into a bunch of legalese that even most police and people who work in the system every single day don't even understand.
You can get a public defender. I've had one a couple of times, every time they did a decent job, only because I knew enough about what I was doing not to get screwed over. One of them tried to get me to except a plea bargain for 5 years in prison. I wouldn't do it, he kept insisting its the best deal I could get. 6 hours later I was walking home on probation. You gotta stand up for yourself because your free lawyer will not.
Doesn't really matter though. My life is a wreck because of all of it. I have a felony for growing marijuana, I've been trying to go to college, I was just de-enrolled from Oklahoma State University because they said my crime was too serious to attend their school. This is after I had been accepted and planning for months to start school in may, they just told me this on Friday. I don't know what to do anymore.
originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: jaffo
Just as resorting to ad hominem attacks is a poor way to carry out a discussion. See, that's one of the things you learn in law school...how to construct a coherent argument based in facts and how to defend that argument.
it's not "TBTB" and it's not the Rothschild family or the Masons or anyone else or any other secret society. It's them and their refusal to admit that they don't know what they are doing.
Well see, there you go. I wasn't making an argument so much I was making a thread about a current event and giving an opinion on the subject. Think what you will but all we "uneducated" people get an opinion too.
As for people not knowing what they're doing in court I'd agree. With the US having so many laws and regulations that's not surprising. I'd bet there are many many jobs you can't do without help. Thing is if you don't call a plumber or electrician when needed it generally does not destroy your life and everyone closely related to you.
Anyway there are lots of ramifications to an out of control US injustice system. Prison for corporate profit is just one of them. Gotta keep the fresh meat flowing.
originally posted by: JackofBlades
Okay, there are approximately 2 million prisoners in the US.
2 million.
And at a push there are maybe 3 or 4 cases in this thread of being falsely arrested and imprisoned. See the big difference there? 2 million versus 3/4?
Fact of the matter is the overwhelming majority of those incarcerated deserve it. They've done something which violates someone's "God-given rights." Here in the UK, as well as in the US, God-given rights is a term used in Common Law, and violating them involves committing harm, loss, or injury to another person. Of those 2 million imprisoned in your prisons everyone (except the 3/4 who shouldn't be there) have violated those rights, and in so doing have done wrong not only to the victim but to society as a whole. Now, far as I'm concerned they themselves have no rights. If the government wants to sell them off as labour to a corporation, even better. They should have no human rights, and as such they should not be considered human.
Nobody needs to break the law. There's no reason for anyone to do it. And to all of those people saying "What if!?"
"What if I just glance at a text while driving?" Well, it's dangerously irresponsible to be controlling a giant hunk of metal at accelerated speeds whilst not concentrating. Criminal negligence.
"What if I happen to have a little bit of weed as I travel?" Weed's illegal. Whether we believe it should be or not, it is. Don't carry it everywhere with you.
"What if I'm carrying my meds in a little baggy and not the pack they came in?" Walking around with miscellaneous pills? Sound like a good idea? The original pack is convenient and hardly cumbersome. Just leave them in there.
Seriously, everyone who says "ANYONE CAN GO TO JAIL!" needs to remember that yes, anyone can go to jail. But you've got a hell of a lot more of a chance if you're breaking the law.
Make them work! Make them work hard! When their sentence is up let them out and maybe they'll remember how tough it is and not violate the liberties of anyone else.
Yep you and your opinions but not facts! Not every soul in prison is incarcerated because of major crimes.Some were placed there do to not willing to testify or shall I say snitch on the actual criminal due to many reasons such a threat on their life,other family members,etc! Sometimes it's best to accept such negativity because it could hurt you in the long run! CORRUPTION is the key that's behind the placement of many prisoners being locked up today and no matter what they do they should always be treated like you HUMAN! Don't we all serve the same GOD!
originally posted by: minusinfinity
The privatization of the US prison system needs to end, NOW.
I agree with the above statement.
The thing is if you don't break the law you won't go to prison.
Being "one bad traffic stop away from just such a fate" sounds a bit cynical. Maybe if you are transporting illegal goods or have drugs or a bomb in your vehicle but I don't think most people end up in prison because they were speeding or ran a stop sign.
originally posted by: Bundy
a reply to: jaffo
I dont understand how you can say someone breaking a law one time, a law that a lot of people think is nonsense, should then be considered part of the "dregs of society". I think YOU are more of a part of that group than I.
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Our court system has been infiltrated by members of this secret society sworn to protect each other from prosecution of any criminal activity and to render favorable judgments to its member. Other members of society are victimized in the courts.
A short time ago I received an email with a court excerpt, clearly showing how Freemasonry has infiltrated the court system by putting judges, prosecutors and attorneys in key positions. As long as this continues there is no justice but theirs, as those people stand above the law, because they ARE the law.
If people don't know about Freemasonry and its influence on the legal system, they have no clue that they are setup and have little chance of an honest trial.
In this particular case, John, the defendant observes how the Attorney General, Mr. Anthony Krastek is giving a hand signal (the palm up) each and every time his attorney makes a statement, until he cannot take it any longer. He asks Mr. Krastek if he is a Freemason (Exhibit 1, page 7), whereas the Attorney General turns red and gives the full "raised arm palms up" (high distress sign) to the judge, Lawrence J. O'Toole. The judge suddenly loses it on the record, and gives reference to Freemasonic symbols, the ones on the one-dollar-bill (Exhibit 1, page 7).
Freemasons Control the Court (And Thus the Legal System)
The Court System And Freemasonry
The legal system is a joke
What chance does a non - Mason have going into a court of law against Masons when there is a Masonic judge and Masonic attorneys. All a Mason has to do is let a Masonic Judge, or even a Masonic Juror know that he is a Masonic brother and that is that.
Sometimes you look the way a case, is going and it just doesn't make sense. We had one in Seattle not too long ago, in fact the Union my sister worked for was involved in it and nothing went right, even simple points that were obvious to everyone but the Judge. They couldn't figure out what was wrong and I asked her, "Are the defendants and the judge Masons?" She checked it out and found out that they were.
I said, "You don't have a chance. There is no way you can win because, they passed the word to the judge in the lodge or they gave that Judge a signal, they gave him the sign of the square, or the sign of distress, gave him one of a dozen different signs they could give him and that judge was bound by his Masonic code to find for his brother. He is going to do that for the Mason whether he's right or wrong."
There is no way you can win
originally posted by: minusinfinity
I agree with the above statement.
The thing is if you don't break the law you won't go to prison.
Being "one bad traffic stop away from just such a fate" sounds a bit cynical. Maybe if you are transporting illegal goods or have drugs or a bomb in your vehicle but I don't think most people end up in prison because they were speeding or ran a stop sign.
originally posted by: Zackery
Yep you and your opinions but not facts! Not every soul in prison is incarcerated because of major crimes.Some were placed there do to not willing to testify or shall I say snitch on the actual criminal due to many reasons such a threat on their life,other family members,etc! Sometimes it's best to accept such negativity because it could hurt you in the long run! CORRUPTION is the key that's behind the placement of many prisoners being locked up today and no matter what they do they should always be treated like you HUMAN! Don't we all serve the same GOD!