Inmates strike in Alabama, declare prison is “running a slave empire”

originally posted by: spirited75
Claiming that people are in prison for phoney convictions is just not true.

You have to be high on some illegal substances to think that prison for profit is bad. almost all private industry must be profitable or it cannot survive.

Firstly you are ignoring the arguments being made and substituting them for another.

When ppl say there are innocent ppl or needlessly in prison due to whatever reason, they are not saying everyone in prison is innocent or doesn't deserve to be there.

Secondly read your bolded line and think about it for a second in regards to the discussion.

originally posted by: spirited75
you give us three examples and then guarantee that there are thousands,
no tens of thousands of cases of innocent people in prison.
I call BIG TIME BS on this.

I am of the simple logic that
someone who exaggerates is a liar.

by the way, exaggeration on an emotional hysterics is a liberal progressive socialist tactic.
just wish you could have included the plaintive "it is for the children" meme but it would not fit here.

First of all, here's a link to the Innocents Project if you know what that even is, or even care.
www.innocenceproject.org...

Here's what they have to say about it and they know better than either of us.

Q. How many innocent people are there in prison? A. We will never know for sure, but the few studies that have been done estimate that between 2.3% and 5% of all prisoners in the U.S. are innocent (for context, if just 1% of all prisoners are innocent, that would mean that more than 20,000 innocent people are in prison). More broadly, we know that innocent people are often identified as suspects by law enforcement and that DNA testing often clears them before they go to trial, but that DNA testing is impossible in the vast majority of criminal cases. In approximately 25% of cases where DNA testing was done by the FBI during the course of investigations, suspects were excluded by the testing. That doesn’t mean we believe 25% of convictions are in error, but when coupled with the fact that DNA testing is only possible in 5-10% of all criminal cases, it shows that science cannot always clear innocent suspects, which can result in wrongful convictions.

Second. Since you simply cannot stop taking this to a personal level and making accusations about me and basically just talking out your ass, I'm done with you. Why can't you have a conversation without being such and A-hole an making personal attacks??? Maybe because your argument sucks and your small minded view of things is sh*t as well.

Damn you must be one horrible councilor or therapist or whatever the hell you assume to be. Maybe the reason the system is so messed up is because they only hire the rejects like your lame ass.

a reply to: mOjOm

first of all, do not care.
second it sounds like you are sucked into the victimstance
paradigm that is a component of criminal thinking.

there have been several inmates that i have worked
with who were in fact innocent of the charge that put them in prison.

I reflect back to them that they are here because
of all the crimes they did and didn't get caught for.

that seems to take the teeth out of their whine.

they also like to tell me "There is no difference between you and me"
I reply, "yes there is, cause at 500 pm I am out and you are in mate"
get it in mate= inmate. lol

for every crime a criminal gets caught, he or she,
(to be PC) commits 250 they are not caught for.

a reply to: spirited75

Of course you don't care, that would require effort on your part.

That's neat the way you belittle and make jokes about their situation like that. I'm sure that helps.

a reply to: mOjOm

inmates are humans and have a sense of humor.

a reply to: Bassago

The prison slave for profit empire documentation, such as it is:
Corrections Projectwww.correctionsproject.com...

Outlawed at the beginning of the 20th Century, private corporations are once again owning and operating prisons for profit. A controversial issue which dates back to the days that followed the Emancipation Proclamation, CORRECTIONS examines its re-appearance today amidst globalization and the most awesome growth of prisons in all of modern history, painting a complex portrait of what many are calling the "prison industrial complex."


THE PRIVATE PRISON
In the mid-1980's, fifteen years of massive and unprecedented growth within the US prison system hit a snag -- it ran out of money.

When the state wants to build a new prison, it traditionally asks the voters to approve the cost through a bond issue. But this time, voters throughout the country began to say no.

So many turned to private investment, to venture capital, both to fund new prison projects and to run the prisons themselves for costs around $30 to $60 per bed, per day. This began what we know today as the for-profit, PRIVATE PRISON INDUSTRY.

I invite everyone to view the website and info. It highlights the and hints at the current paradigm and its paradoxical quandary of offerings vis a vis involving us all in a system which enslaves, gets you to seek redemption and relief from your pain through everyday life, and then puts you into a system in which you will be used for profit and made a slave of, first through the effective workaday life, and then through the escape of the pain of it, putting you into that system that justifies your enslavery, and uses you for experimentation for the "healthy" population, which has succeeded through being a sociopath and copying healthy behaviors, while making money off you, and using you for labor effective means……

This is the AMERICAN INDUSTRY that backs up the DOW Jones industrial complex that is nothing more than a gambling crap shoot just like Vegas, the difference being money and human lives: they have become synonymous……
Tetra

a reply to: tetra50
this web site is poorly constructed.
it espouses the paradigm that all these factors are why people end up in prison.

the social workers who designed this leave out the most important factor in all of human behavior.

they leave out the power of free will and choice.

People who choose to break the laws eventually will end up in jails or prisons.

It seems to me that there's too much focus on whether or not inmates deserve certain treatment. If anyone is profiting from people being in the "system" then we've got a problem. It's not just prisons. How many of you have been on probation or know someone who has been? Everyone, right?

If you want to talk about free labor look no further than your local court. People are being arrested and placed on probation today for offenses that in the past were nothing, even if a cop decided to arrest you back in the day for something minor a lot of the minor offenses were a $50 fine and an overnight stay at the cop shop.

I know that probation varies depending on where you live but where I live you have to pay the court $1400 just for the privilege of being on probation. Drug and alcohol testing is mandatory for probationers where I live, Oakland County, Michigan. One year of drug and alcohol testing amounts to roughly $10000 out of your pocket and almost all of that goes to private companies. Community service...funny how a lot of people get put on probation right when spring begins and the local parks need to have a lot of manual labor done and once again the probationers have to pay for the privilege.

I know a kid in one of my college classes who got busted for public intoxication and he thought he'd be slick and take the jail time (30 days in County) instead of going on probation. He served 18 days and then they released him, even though he didn't want to be released early, and they put him on probation anyway.

It's all about the money and the labor at all levels of the "justice" system and that's a serious problem.

originally posted by: spirited75
a reply to: tetra50
this web site is poorly constructed.
it espouses the paradigm that all these factors are why people end up in prison.

the social workers who designed this leave out the most important factor in all of human behavior.

they leave out the power of free will and choice.

People who choose to break the laws eventually will end up in jails or prisons.

All respect to you, I happen to not agree as to choice. My stance and belief is we live in a constructed paradigm with very little choice, and much control….

You are welcome, however, to your opinion, and I will pay you due respect for such, for that is the single, most obvious reflection of free will I have at my disposal, but (my opinion and life's experience), precious little will and choice that I have….

This website is a psy-ops, in my opinion, in action, but what it does do, is inform those who may be ignorant of the reality, what is happening to them. this is just MHO. My humble opinion. And I am certainly HUMBLE. So, this is only my opinion, and a coalescence of my experience, but that is no less valid, that it came from me. I am here, solely, to offer my perspective for those lost in life and living in this current paradigm,for they may find themselves lost, as well, and looking for an answer. I cannot give them that, but i can offer my perspective, and in that light, it may be worth something to someone, so I write and continue…..

as i said, you are welcome to your opinion, but as to mine: you have very little choice or effective reasoning in where we currently reside, but you can be aware, and your awareness may save your soul….
tetra

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I already posted this image. I think it is relevant to this thread and I don't want it to get lost in pages of bickering. I did learn in this thread that the 13th Amendment gives the State the right to use prisoners as slaves.

The explosion of the US prison population is a direct result of the War on Drugs.

a reply to: jrod

I would really like to see a copy of that chart modified to remove all the herbally incarcerated as well as non violent offenders. Can't even begin to imagine what it would look like except much much lower numbers that perhaps would put us back on par with the rest of the globe.

A lot of people are pretty sure that there is no foulplay involved when the prison gets paid per inmate and on top can put that inmate to work again. Nobody is advocating leniency on criminals. But consider this, when a prison gets your hard earned tax dollars for the upkeep of a prisoner, it gets more than is needed for the upkeep of the prisoner, it gets a healthy margin of profit as well. This isn't Northrop whom earns a living delivering a product to the government outperforming everything on the face of the earth and therefore paying an amount of taxdollars that does not only cover the costs for Northrop, but also includes a hefty profit is justified. This is a system, whose sole goal it is, to keep something private, to benefit from it monetary, all the while underperforming when it comes to every standard by which a prison system is measured, the profit being your money those prisons pocket.

Seen as the state is spending money on inmates anyway, seen as private prisons inhibit a strong incentive for fouplay and encouraging foulplay in the accruement of prisoners, from legislation to execution, to realization (of the incarceration), I say private prisons should be ended, because the only upside is for those whom pocked YOUR tax dollars. If you view the topic from any other angle, touch any other button, subject consideration, etc. there are only and exclusively downsides to the private prison system.

But lets make a short list.

Pro for private prison:

Somebody who is not you (the owners of private prisons) get to pocket taxdollars.

Con for private prisons:

Incentive for fouplay in the legislation and execution aimed at supplying prisons with prisoners for kickbacks.

overspending per prisoner because there needs to be a profit for the prison

underperformance of the prison system by every measure compared to a global scale rehabilitation, quality of life, quality of care, security, overcrowding, understaffing and a general lack of investment.
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So there you have it, unless you stand to profit directly from the prison industrial complex, there is no reason to keep it going, because government would do a better job and if we assume that government keeps everything as it is (overcrowding, understaffing) it would cost LESS taxdollars as well.

So, unless you profit from prisons, or the idea of inmates being in a high risk environment, where they have to deal with overcrowded quarters lack of security due to understaffing substandard food and hygiene, rape, little to no chance of rehabilitation makes you chuckle, then there is no reason to keep the private prison system running.

a reply to: Merinda

You got that right. As long as there's profit in prisoners the big time taxpayer subsidized investors are going to keep on with this immoral money scheme.