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The oldest bronze serpent was excavated at Megiddo (Tell el-Mutesellim). It was 18 cm long. It was found in Stratum X, dated to 1650–1550 B.C.E. (Locus 2032, Square N 14, Area BB; see fig
From the turn of the Bronze and Iron Age (1300–1100 B.C.E.) comes the bronze serpent from Timna‘. It differs from the above-mentioned ones, because it is partially wrapped round with a golden tape. It was excavated in Stratum II in a naos of the Midianite temple (Locus 110, Square B–C 14–15; see fig. 6).12 The temple was built initially by Egyptians who dedicated it to Hathor, the goddess of fertility. During the rule of the 20th Dynasty Egyptians abandoned the nearby copper mines and the temple, which was partially destroyed by an earthquake. The mines and the temple were then taken over by the Midianites. From that time come the bronze serpent (nearly 12 cm long), as well as votive offerings placed in the temple: a bronze phallic male figurine, a ram figurine, numerous rings, amulets, earrings, bracelets, beads, and many copper tools. Moreover, a large amount of Midianite pottery was found.13
So which one of the above-mentioned propositions was a basis for the Canaanite cult of the bronze serpents? This question cannot be answered easily because we have no Canaanite or Syrian written source describing such a cult.25 The only written source that mentions bronze serpents is the Bible. It is interesting that the examples are not clearly negative ones.
It follows clearly from the biblical text that the bronze serpent was a cultic object.29 In light of the reference to Moses, it is hard to perceive Nechushtan in any other way than as a symbol of god—the healer.30
the cult of Neushtan in the Jerusalem Temple has a pre-Israelite origin and may be connected with the Jebusites.31 Obviously, no cultic serpent has been found in the area of the Jerusalem Temple, where no excavations are allowed. This makes it impossible to verify the above thesis by means of archaeological data, but the Bible itself is here to help. It is interesting that 1 Kgs 1:9 places the offerings by David’s son, Adonijah, by the Stone of Zoheleth (), next to the En-rogel spring in Jerusalem.32 Thus, this text confirms the existence of sites connected with the serpent cult in the capital itself, as well. Hence, it may be supposed that after Jerusalem was seized by David, and after the main center of worship was established there, the old beliefs, most probably known to the Hebrews, were partially incorporated into the cult of YHWH. As follows from the text of 2 Kgs 18:4, it simply happened that the tradition of Moses’ serpent was coupled with the local Jerusalemite tradition. This was not especially difficult, since it can be supposed that both the bronze serpent of the desert and the Jebusite serpent in the Temple were connected with the healing aspect of the pertinent deity. In this manner, Nehustan was subordinated to the victorious God of Israel, and was perhaps even treated as symbolizing one of YHWH’s attributes. .
Of course, the first association leads us towards Asklepios and makes us seek after the Semitic deity identified with this Greek divine doctor. Practically, the only correspondence of Asklepios in Syro-Canaan is Eshmun, the main deity of Sidon.34
In this way, we get an outline of an answer to the question about the characteristics of the cult of Canaanite bronze serpents. It seems highly probable that they had therapeutic functions and that they were connected with deities controlling illnesses. Horon, a chthonic deity ruling over demons and serpents, could be such a god. We can further accept the relationship of the earlier Syro-Canaanite Horon to the later Phoenician-Punic Eshmun. The Bible also confirms the relation between bronze serpents and healing. Naturally, because of its character, the Bible does not point to any pagan deity, and it ascribes the principal healing role to YHWH.
According to Damascius, he was the eighth son of Sydyk, whence his name, and the chief of the Cabeiri. Whereas they were dwarfish and misshapen, he was a youth of most beautiful appearance, truly worthy of admiration. Like Adonis, he was fond of hunting in the woods that clothe the flanks of Lebanon, and there he was seen by Astronoë, the Phoenician goddess, the mother of the gods (in whom we cannot fail to recognise Astarte), who persecuted him with her attentions to such an extent that to escape her he was driven to the desperate resource of self-emasculation. Upon this the goddess, greatly grieved, called him Paean, and by means of quickening warmth brought him back to life, and changed him from a man into a god, which he thenceforth remained. The Phoenicians called him Esmun, 'the eighth,' but the Greeks worshipped him as Asclepius, the god of healing, who gave life and health to mankind.
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The fact that Jesus was using a well known story to illustrate a point does not necessarily mean that he was endorsing the veracity of the story.
And Jesus is likening his being raised up on the cross to the Bronze serpent in the wilderness.
5 And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.
6 And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord, and against thee; pray unto the Lord, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.
8 And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
Later on, it was worshiped.
They weren't to bow down or worship the serpent, simply look at it to be healed. It was used specifically during one time period when God sent "fiery serpents" upon the people for speaking against Him.
I think you missed my point cause in my mind it resembles yours. My best memories are from the animal realm. There is a trinity that consist of human animal and plant here. Plant is the most peaceful and that is truely where i would rather be with an occasional stroll into the animal realm. I am here because of what was done the last time around solar system. Just ask any animal and they will tell you that no one understands the whomans. The goal is to get everyone where they are going.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: deadeyedick
Today I was reading a book from 1985 called 'Supercat' by Michael W Fox, DVM. I borrowed it from my vet's office while I was waiting for a diagnosis about my little dog who had refused to eat....
(She's better now)
The book talks about how sentient, intelligent, sensitive, and capable of reason and education our animal companions (and even wild animals) are....IF ONLY WE GIVE THEM THE RIGHT STIMULUS....
the theology and 'philosophy' that denegrates animals as "lesser than" are one of the reasons I detest the Bible.
We are NOT 'superior.'
Animals are every bit as aware and emotional as we are. Just because they don't have 'human language' does NOT mean they don't communicate. ANYone who has spent their life around animals will know better.
Only dogmatic, superior, insensitive humans would disagree. And have done, since forever.
Our fellow creatures are undervalued due to 'religious indoctrination' - and our home (Earth) is very much alive.
Brass and Bronze are metal alloys used extensively in everyday objects. While brass is an alloy of copper and zinc, bronze is an alloy consisting mainly of copper, combined most often with tin, but at times also with other metals. Owing to their properties, these two alloys have various uses.
John 3 : 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.