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posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 07:29 PM
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In an irony of history Communism was a German ideology fostered by the German government who used Jews as scapegoats to hide their own nefariousness.

Marxism was co-founded by an ethnic German, Friedrich Engels, who;

"...co-authored The Communist Manifesto with Karl Marx, and later he supported Marx financially to do research and write Das Kapital. After Marx's death, Engels edited the second and third volumes. Additionally, Engels organized Marx's notes on the "Theories of Surplus Value" and this was later published as the "fourth volume" of Capital."

en.m.wikipedia.org...

The German government was directly behind the Bolshevik Russian revolution in order to, successfully, bring the war on the Eastern Front to an end. The (non-Jewish) German Foreign Minister Arthur Zimmermann, labelled "the most destructive person of the twentieth century," helped the Communists undermine Tzarist Russia.

"In March 1917, with the imminent collapse of the Russian front, Zimmermann took steps to promote Peace in the East with the Russians, a proposal that was of immense importance to Germany at the time. The foreign secretary set forth the following: regulations for frontline contacts with the opposite side; reciprocal withdrawal of the occupied areas; an amicable agreement about Poland, Lithuania, and Kurland; and a promise to aid Russia in its reconstruction and rehabilitation. Last not least, Lenin and the émigré revolutionaries would be allowed to pass through Germany to Russia by train. These proposals once carried out, would free Germany's armies in the east and allow them to be concentrated in the west, a master-stroke that would reinforce the German western front vastly. Zimmermann thus contributed to the outcome of the October Revolution."

en.m.wikipedia.org...

In fact the German-government directly funded the revolution and allowed Lenin safe passage through Germany on his journey from exile back to Russia.

"In April 1917 Lenin and a party of 32 Russian revolutionaries, mostly Bolsheviks, journeyed by train from Switzerland across Germany through Sweden to Petrograd, Russia. They were on their way to join Leon Trotsky to "complete the revolution." Their trans-Germany transit was approved, facilitated, and financed by the German General Staff. Lenin's transit to Russia was part of a plan approved by the German Supreme Command, apparently not immediately known to the kaiser, to aid in the disintegration of the Russian army and so eliminate Russia from World War I. The possibility that the Bolsheviks might be turned against Germany and Europe did not occur to the German General Staff. Major General Hoffman has written, "We neither knew nor foresaw the danger to humanity from the consequences of this journey of the Bolsheviks to Russia."

At the highest level the German political officer who approved Lenin's journey to Russia was Chancellor Theobald von Bethmann-Hollweg, a descendant of the Frankfurt banking family Bethmann, which achieved great prosperity in the nineteenth century. Bethmann-Hollweg was appointed chancellor in 1909 and in November 1913 became the subject of the first vote of censure ever passed by the German Reichstag on a chancellor. It was Bethmann-Hollweg who in 1914 told the world that the German guarantee to Belgium was a mere "scrap of paper." Yet on other war matters — such as the use of unrestricted submarine warfare — Bethmann-Hollweg was ambivalent; in January 1917 he told the kaiser, "I can give Your Majesty neither my assent to the unrestricted submarine warfare nor my refusal." By 1917 Bethmann-Hollweg had lost the Reichstag's support and resigned — but not before approving transit of Bolshevik revolutionaries to Russia. The transit instructions from Bethmann-Hollweg went through the state secretary Arthur Zimmermann — who was immediately under Bethmann-Hollweg and who handled day-to-day operational details with the German ministers in both Bern and Copenhagen — to the German minister to Bern in early April 1917. The kaiser himself was not aware of the revolutionary movement until after Lenin had passed into Russia.

While Lenin himself did not know the precise source of the assistance, he certainly knew that the German government was providing some funding. There were, however, intermediate links between the German foreign ministry and Lenin..."

reformed-theology.org...

"By 1917 and 1918 the German people had begun to lose faith in the war. The government was torn between what the people wanted, a "status quo" peace, and what Hindenburg wanted, a "fruits of victory" peace. On November 7-8, 1917, a German encouraged revolution, the Bolshevik Revolution, began in Russia. After much conflict, the Communist leader Lenin was appointed their new leader. He wanted peace with Germany because of the instability of his position in the Russian government.

On December 20, 1917 the central leaders and Russia met to make a peace treaty. The talks lead to nothing and Germany began its attacks on the Balkan states.

Peace talks again resumed with Russia and by 1918 Germany had concluded a peace treaty with the Ukraine. By March 3rd, a treaty was made with Russia. Germany quickly ignored previous treaties and marched straight into the Ukraine, taking Kiev on March 1. From there they proceeded directly into Russia, despite recent treaties."

www.firstworldwar.com...

So we have a German co-founder of Communism and a German funded and encouraged anti-Tzarist Russian Revolution yet the role of Germans and Germany are ignored with conspiracy theories involving Jewish-plots often preferred over the actual events.

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posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 07:37 PM
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I always suspected the Rothschilds.

Rumors say they funded the whole effort and received special unpublished versions.

A new style banking oligarchy was necessary for the booming industrial revolution.

A transition from old style monarchy to a worldwide banking monarchy.

Something like what the worldwide central banking system is (Bank for International Settlements - Basel Committee).




posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 07:40 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Then you're sucked in to the anti-Jewish conspiracy. A case in point. Your arguments aren't logical eg the industrial revolution happened a century or two before these events.

Also, the European country where the Rothschild's had greatest success (The UK) also has Europe's most successful monarchy.

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posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 07:54 PM
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I hear Webster Tarpley speaking recently on Guns and Butter about the history of Ukraine .According to him Ukraine as we think of it today was a creation of Germany using a group of people in that area to bypass the blockades by GB and US that had cut them off from food .I am not completely sure if I got that right but here is a link to that show

"Ukrainian Crisis In Historical Context" with Webster Tarpley. Citizens of Ukraine unwilling to fight on behalf of the fascist coup; Ukraine as a creation of the German General Staff in WWI; Ukraine becomes a country in 1991 as a result of the breakup of the Soviet Union; war monger clique in Washington; solutions to the crisis that would be beneficial and avert war.
www.kpfa.org...



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 08:09 PM
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Hitler hated Communism more than he hated the Tride of Judah.
Communism fostered the "Workers United" in Service of the State,,,,without God.
with No Manifest Destiny.
Nazi's fostered the "Workers United" in Service of the State,,,,with God.
with Manifest Destiny,, ie 3rd Riech.
When Hitler seen that the only way too achieve Germany destiny, in his mind,,was too kill the Jewish People,,
then he began his own program of,,cant rule if u dont exist. ie Genocide.
At which point the other Tribes of the earth, said,,sorry not gonna happen.

And too this day,,"they", are still trying.



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: Anglojew

yeah......uh.....no

too lengthy to go into but......no

America involved....yes
Jews involved.....yes

Germans......only if they were German bankers......commonly known as........Jews

but the German people or German government........LOL.....no



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 08:46 PM
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Trotsky, Lenin, Stalin and Marx were ALL Jewish.

there has to be something



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 09:06 PM
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a reply to: HanzHenry

well actually if u check real hard,, they were probably closer too Catholic, than Jewish, but religion is pretty much crap if it isn't "Love God", Love Thy Neighbour, period.

After all we ALL understand the meaning of Love,,, right,,,



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: Anglojew

Well, it is true that Karl Marx, the father of Communism, was German but he was also Jewish.

The Bolshevik leadership was primarily Jewish. They were responsible for the deaths of tens of millions, mostly Christians. Some estimate that the number was as high as 100 million.

This article in the israeli Ynet states that it was at least 20 million.

As you can imagine, people began to resent the Jewish leadership. As a result, the Bolsheviks made antisemitism a capital offense.

I could go on but I think you get the point.

But IMHO, for someone to blame "Jews" for the actions of the Bolsheviks, is misguided.

Making broad brush generalizations about any group is simply, well, stupid.

edit on 18-4-2014 by gladtobehere because: wording



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 09:18 PM
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some historians have written quite extensively on how
banker jacob schiff funded the bolshevics
and ordered the hit on the czar and his whole family
made a good buck off his investment in communism too
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posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: gladtobehere


Started here,,

"Nevertheless, Catherine's Russia provided an asylum and a base for re-grouping to the Society of Jesus following the suppression of the Jesuits in most of Europe in 1773"

"Josef was born to influential Catholic parents Vissarion "Beso" Dzhugashvili and Ekaterina "Keke" Geladze. His father Beso was a successful and relatively wealthy local businessman. However, in later biographies, he is variously described as poor, dirt poor and a violent alcoholic.
Whatever the real truth, Josef was accepted into the Catholic Cappuchin run school at Gori. He graduated in 1892 first in his class and at the age of 14 he was accepted to enter the "Orthodox" Seminary of Tiflis (Tbilisi, Georgia), a Jesuit institution to be trained as a Jesuit priest.


And just for kickers,,,

“Above all I have learned from the Jesuits. And so did Lenin too, as far as I recall. The world has never known anything quite so splendid as the hierarchical structure of the [Roman] Catholic Church. There were quite a few things I simply appropriated from the Jesuits for the use of the [Nazi] Party."
- Adolph Hitler

So u see ones religion is not of primary concern,, too meglomaniacs.


Exception "Catherine the Great",, for she truly was.



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 09:35 PM
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Not Jews.
Zionists.
Look it up, the Rothschilds were Zionists.
I believe the Zionists and Communists are working together, and have been working together, since WWI.



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 10:00 PM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
I hear Webster Tarpley speaking recently on Guns and Butter about the history of Ukraine .According to him Ukraine as we think of it today was a creation of Germany using a group of people in that area to bypass the blockades by GB and US that had cut them off from food .I am not completely sure if I got that right but here is a link to that show

"Ukrainian Crisis In Historical Context" with Webster Tarpley. Citizens of Ukraine unwilling to fight on behalf of the fascist coup; Ukraine as a creation of the German General Staff in WWI; Ukraine becomes a country in 1991 as a result of the breakup of the Soviet Union; war monger clique in Washington; solutions to the crisis that would be beneficial and avert war.
www.kpfa.org...


Fascinating. It was historically Poland and Russia. Haven't heard that before. Interesting if true.



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 10:01 PM
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originally posted by: BobAthome
Hitler hated Communism more than he hated the Tride of Judah.
Communism fostered the "Workers United" in Service of the State,,,,without God.
with No Manifest Destiny.
Nazi's fostered the "Workers United" in Service of the State,,,,with God.
with Manifest Destiny,, ie 3rd Riech.
When Hitler seen that the only way too achieve Germany destiny, in his mind,,was too kill the Jewish People,,
then he began his own program of,,cant rule if u dont exist. ie Genocide.
At which point the other Tribes of the earth, said,,sorry not gonna happen.

And too this day,,"they", are still trying.



National SOCIALISTS.

Hitler and the Bolsheviks had a peace treaty (dividing Poland) until the Nazi's broke it and invaded the USSR.
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posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 10:03 PM
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originally posted by: Davian
Not Jews.
Zionists.
Look it up, the Rothschilds were Zionists.
I believe the Zionists and Communists are working together, and have been working together, since WWI.


Except the Rothschild's are synonymous with Capitalism not Communism.



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 10:07 PM
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originally posted by: UxoriousMagnus
a reply to: Anglojew

yeah......uh.....no

too lengthy to go into but......no

America involved....yes
Jews involved.....yes

Germans......only if they were German bankers......commonly known as........Jews

but the German people or German government........LOL.....no



I've included sources in my opening post. I notice you include none. You have no evidence. Not every German banker was Jewish. Jews only made up 3.5% of the German banking industry during the Weimar Republic;

books.google.com.au... sig=gcK2DwSb04HEXnmU-33pFNxsjuM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IOhRU_XaMIPBkgXs1IGgBg&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=what%20oercentage%20of%20german%20bankers%20were%20je wish%20in%20weimar&f=false



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 10:09 PM
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originally posted by: Danbones
some historians have written quite extensively on how
banker jacob schiff funded the bolshevics
and ordered the hit on the czar and his whole family
made a good buck off his investment in communism too


Please include a mainstream link to this.

Again, I've included links to mainstream historical sources stating it was actually a successful plot by Arthur Zimmermann to end the war on Germany's Eastern front.



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: Anglojew

originally posted by: Davian
Not Jews.
Zionists.
Look it up, the Rothschilds were Zionists.
I believe the Zionists and Communists are working together, and have been working together, since WWI.


Except the Rothschild's are synonymous with Capitalism not Communism.


they care not who or what is in charge......they care only about controlling the money......they are not capitalists.....they are globalists....nothing more nothing less



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 10:13 PM
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originally posted by: UxoriousMagnus

originally posted by: Anglojew

originally posted by: Davian
Not Jews.
Zionists.
Look it up, the Rothschilds were Zionists.
I believe the Zionists and Communists are working together, and have been working together, since WWI.


Except the Rothschild's are synonymous with Capitalism not Communism.


they care not who or what is in charge......they care only about controlling the money......they are not capitalists.....they are globalists....nothing more nothing less


It's utter ridiculousness. If they were all-powerful they wouldn't have failed in Italy and been expelled from Austria and Germany.



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: Anglojew

originally posted by: UxoriousMagnus

originally posted by: Anglojew

originally posted by: Davian
Not Jews.
Zionists.
Look it up, the Rothschilds were Zionists.
I believe the Zionists and Communists are working together, and have been working together, since WWI.


Except the Rothschild's are synonymous with Capitalism not Communism.


they care not who or what is in charge......they care only about controlling the money......they are not capitalists.....they are globalists....nothing more nothing less


It's utter ridiculousness. If they were all-powerful they wouldn't have failed in Italy and been expelled from Austria and Germany.


uh.....

are you kidding me right now!?

I am not even sure where to start with you






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