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originally posted by: elysiumfire
Hearts and minds are not something you win they are something you aim at.
If I was Putin and under attack by America, I would make damn sure that the people in America experienced the war at first hand by attacking the cities. The American people would no longer be able to witness war simply on the TV safe and secure many thousands of miles away. This is what the American people need to experience up close and personal, just like the Vietnamese, just like the Koreans, just like the Iraqis. Only then will the current American population come to understand the pain of the death and destruction their military has brought to other sovereign countries simply to fulfil the hegemonic ambitions of its government's policies.
originally posted by: Skorpy
a reply to: crazyewok
You know, If I was the one calling the shots I would not even try to invade/occupy Russia/China. I would just put our weapons to the test. I would level weak/small countries like Syria and North Korea. To get their attention, and then go after all of Russia/China's small allies and let them know that there is nowhere to run. If you go to ground then we take that ground from you.
Sure they may be able to slip a few nukes through our defensive capabilities, so what the U.S. is big enough to handle a few nukes. Meanwhile we start laying waste to all of Moscow and Beijing and all the other big cities and then demand a surrender with the notion that the weak shall perish.
Basically the U.S. has the tech to rule the world hands down, might as well get it over with that way we can have peace under the gun of course. After all, were humans, were a warrior race, why fight it lets embrace it. If we do, sure billions will die but at least we can move forward and progress through the universe after.
Just imagine how much stronger we will be when we rise from the ashes.
originally posted by: GreenMtnBoys
The United States hasn't fought a real enemy in decades. Beating up on 3rd world militaries and goat herders with AKs' and IED's is nothing. Russia actually has one of the most sophisticated miiltaries in the world. Of course it's not at the level or on the same scale as the US as they spend probably 1/6 of what we do per year on their military. Can we say MiGs, S400s, P-800 anti ship missiles? Obama and Biden are a disgrace and so are any Americans that are supporting this current administration. If send troops to Ukraine and engage Russia it will be a bloody war that America has no stomach for. The Russians are tough people and will be fighting to protect their homeland, economy, etc. What will the US troops be fighting for? Another government overthrow?
THAT would NOT be the case with Russia.
originally posted by: criticalhit
Will comment on this...
People always throw out nonsense like, America lost this war or that war...
Take Korea... 36,516 dead USA, South Korea 58,127- North Korea 215,000, China 400,000
Roughly a 5 or 6 to one ratio
It's the same in every war or worse Take Iraq (2003) Usa losses 174, Iraq? as high as 45,000
People act as if we are going to exterminate the population or land hold the places we fight or start WW3... that's not what these Wars are about, they are economic, trade based, many things...even down to the showing off the weapons systems we have for sale honestly.... but we never lost anything really ever...
How can the word "loose" even be applied when we sailed the freaking heck around the world on boats went to someone else's country on a different continent, landed men, got planes over, supplied them then kicked the living daylights out of them in in battles ranging from a 6-1 kill ratio to, 120-1 kill ratio more recently? And then the enemy didn't get to fire a shot at your territory EVER... I mean seriously was the goal of any of these wars ever to... I dunno Ghengis Kahn the crud out of the people we fought, kill the men off rape the women destroy the culture and make it a new State? If so then we lost... lol, but otherwise we have sailed places and B slapped everyone we ever had a conflict with...
You're protecting the interests of the rich, not the interests of citizens. That's just something that they've led people to believe. Remember, rich men's kids don't go to war and they don't give a crap about you. Gotta admit though, they did pretty good with you. The perfect soldier. And before you pop off something to the effect that I know nothing about the military, that would be a negative, sir. My family has been military from WW2 up to right now.
originally posted by: Arnie123
a reply to: criticalhit
Yup, you nailed it. Star for you.
Peoples ignorance on WAR tend to always be off the numbers...because truth is, it boils down to the numbers.
Russia, along with a few other countries ONLY respond to force, which is so unfortunate.
We are a Global power, we have to ensure are interest are protected.
It's really that simple. Don't like it? do something about it.
originally posted by: Davian
originally posted by: DarknStormy
originally posted by: 4TheHighCyde20
Well, he's not wrong. US conventional forces are drastically superior to the Russians. This isn't even an opinion, it's fact. They're still operating 1980's Soviet tech. Putin is trying to modernize his military, but as he does so are the Americans.
Doesn't matter, 20,000 nuclear warheads is enough to bring any world to it's knees and Russia has that ability regardless of how old their tech is.
How do you get 20,000 out of 1,800 (8,500 of which 6,700 are defunct)? Just wondering.
originally posted by: phinubian
a reply to: BobAthome
Interesting, but this is 60's era bunkers, you have to remember that even Saddam in the 90's had much deeper and more modern systems of underground escape, that was mitigated by bunker busters and low yield nukes, nice try though.
originally posted by: ColCurious
originally posted by: beezzer
I just wanted to add, it is Bush's military. Not Obama's.
Obama just inherited it.
This doesn't make any sense at all.
originally posted by: spurgeonatorsrevenge
He is preemptively saying war is not going to be an option, he is not giving Putin the ability to set the terms by defining them first.
This doesn't make any sense either.
I think I'll rather dedicate myself to more Eggnog... this is one of those weird threads.
You mean O= Former community organizer
originally posted by: texasgirl
This is what worries me: Putin= Former KGB
Obama= Former Professor
I don't think it matters how superior our military is compared to Russia's. It's the strategy to outsmart the opponent. Putin keeps us guessing on what he's going to do next.
originally posted by: LittleByLittle
a reply to: Vovin
Wasting a lot of resources on toys destroying the middle class is not needed for Russia. US cannot win a war with Russia since the nuclear option is always there. This is just nationalistic bull#ting to keep the citizens proud of being Americans so they do not go after the government for it's corrupt nature and sellout to corporate facism.