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Obama: US military ‘significantly superior’ to Russia’s

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posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: criticalhit


Look, I understand your sentiment, but can you please express yourself without the hateful and personal attacks? There is lots of room for every opinion there is no excuse for any of us to get nasty. It just tends to ruin the discussion.

The Commonwealth and America have more shared values than animosity so I am sure we can be decent to each other.

Happy Easter.




posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 09:11 AM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: criticalhit

As soon as you stated you where of Irish/Scottish decent i now understand where you anti-British views come from. You summed it up perfectly in those two words.
We can now move on and leave you to fester in your own hatred of Britain in your cesspool of a mind.


Easy now, I am of Scottish descent and I dont hate anybody. Not British nor American or any other nation. Let's not bring in historical animosities or everyone will be lobbing verbal grenades at over centuries old disagreements. lol



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: criticalhit

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: criticalhit
a reply to: renden

Meh, irrelevant, I'm in my 40's, degrees, my own business, children the whole 9 yards...

My top 5 would include the same 3, but D and D is still no 1

Good love of war gaming never dampened anyone's IQ, ever.



Run OFP, in an organized fashion, then maybe some airsoft, in an organized fashion, then run AKs as they should be, and then we all can talk guns and such.

I love knowing how fast a fellas mind changes about all kinds of things when his hands are so cold that he cant operate a single control on a AR platform, much less deal with a forward assist.

When that type of appreciation for Russian guns is earned, all other such topics fall right into place from that perspective.

IQ not required, just common sense.


You know what Renden, I call bs on this entire commentary.

Name drops of simulations and references to whatever experience doesn't mean anything more than bagging a persons thoughts with no actual debate rebuttal other than to disregard them verbally because they are a gamer did.

While I take nothing away from the brave men of the past who's hands might have had to be "cold" out in the field, I highly doubt in any scenario with Russia "occupation" is going to be the name of the game until at the least things like artillery are out of the way... The entire basis of military superiority against Russia is our technology, technology that most often and from the start these days falls in the hands of a guy with a joy stick i his hands hundreds of miles away. Aside from that it is the IQ that builds these toys these days. Disrespect for Russian equipment? No... but a lot of guys fighting this battle might never see it that's all it will be rubble long before.





My friend, call it what you will, it doesn't change the fact that Russian gear is war proof, while American greatest and bestest tech is nothing more then budget feed.

Its this simple, when weather gets wet and cold, troop armed with AR platform begins to have serious issues with operating weapon controls, and no amount of wonder tech which is supposed to turn enemies into rubble is going to help that troop when some fella with an AK jumps out and begins unloading into him.

To this day Taliban has complete small arms superiority;

www.dtic.mil...

Same goes for everything else. Soviet armor simply works, while American armor does not. How? Simple. Soviet armor gets where it has to get, while Chrysler Abrams requires an entire motor park just to keep it running, and an escort of fuel trucks to keep it fueled.

Syria is the latest example of how effective classic Soviet armor is even in urban warfare when deployed properly. It just works. BMPs get shot up with RPGs and keep on going. Complete reliability and weapon effectiveness.

As for guys with joysticks, as soon as operations extend beyond the village people in sandals, ECM simply jams the crap out the entire spectrum including GPS and drones, and it again comes right back to fellas with AKs.

Try OFP on good European servers btw, it'll change your FPS views for ever.



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: crazyewok Russia, France, Brittan, USA were all playing on the same team for the most part in WW2. Russia even received aid from the USA in WW2. They were all fighting a common enemy. Russia wasn't fighting alone against Germany.



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: Leonidas

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: criticalhit

As soon as you stated you where of Irish/Scottish decent i now understand where you anti-British views come from. You summed it up perfectly in those two words.
We can now move on and leave you to fester in your own hatred of Britain in your cesspool of a mind.


Easy now, I am of Scottish descent and I dont hate anybody. Not British nor American or any other nation. Let's not bring in historical animosities or everyone will be lobbing verbal grenades at over centuries old disagreements. lol


There is a huge difference of opinion about The British by people of Scottish descent. Depending if those of Scottish descent are from a Protestant or Catholic background. You can work it out for yourself those that hate the British ( or should i say the hatred is mainly aimed at The English).
The world has moved on, but it appears that some people never can do so. Very sad really.



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 09:37 AM
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The good news is that Russia and America aren't anywhere near a shooting war with each other and wont be anytime soon.

The Abrams is a better tank than a T72/90 on the first day of fighting. But depending what theatre you are in, the number of tanks deployed and how short their supply line is the critical point. Several weeks into a shooting war in torn up terrain and the M1A3 numbers of available tanks will be dropping everyday. The Abrams will be it's most effective on the first day and diminish from there, while the number T72+'s lost to maintenance in the long run will be much less.

The number of tanks deployed in the first days of fighting would be the deciding factor.

The good thing is that America or NATO aren't going to pick a fight in Europe any time soon. And Russia has no way to deliver any main battle tanks to North America without getting noticed.

Thankfully the discussion will remain a theoretical one. No matter WHAT happens in Ukraine.



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 09:40 AM
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originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: Leonidas

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: criticalhit

As soon as you stated you where of Irish/Scottish decent i now understand where you anti-British views come from. You summed it up perfectly in those two words.
We can now move on and leave you to fester in your own hatred of Britain in your cesspool of a mind.


Easy now, I am of Scottish descent and I dont hate anybody. Not British nor American or any other nation. Let's not bring in historical animosities or everyone will be lobbing verbal grenades at over centuries old disagreements. lol


There is a huge difference of opinion about The British by people of Scottish descent. Depending if those of Scottish descent are from a Protestant or Catholic background. You can work it out for yourself those that hate the British ( or should i say the hatred is mainly aimed at The English).
The world has moved on, but it appears that some people never can do so. Very sad really.


Lots of generalizations there about nationality and religion. How about for Easter's sake we just stick to the topic at hand. That seems to be contentious enough! lol.



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 09:49 AM
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originally posted by: Leonidas

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: Leonidas

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: criticalhit

As soon as you stated you where of Irish/Scottish decent i now understand where you anti-British views come from. You summed it up perfectly in those two words.
We can now move on and leave you to fester in your own hatred of Britain in your cesspool of a mind.


Easy now, I am of Scottish descent and I dont hate anybody. Not British nor American or any other nation. Let's not bring in historical animosities or everyone will be lobbing verbal grenades at over centuries old disagreements. lol


There is a huge difference of opinion about The British by people of Scottish descent. Depending if those of Scottish descent are from a Protestant or Catholic background. You can work it out for yourself those that hate the British ( or should i say the hatred is mainly aimed at The English).
The world has moved on, but it appears that some people never can do so. Very sad really.


Lots of generalizations there about nationality and religion. How about for Easter's sake we just stick to the topic at hand. That seems to be contentious enough! lol.




Generalizations ? Sorry but no.

The facts speak for themselves. This is the sad world we live in.






posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: alldaylong

What is your opinion on the differences between the current Russian and American military strengths and weaknesses?

Titanium vs. Steel?



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: Leonidas


Easy now, I am of Scottish descent and I dont hate anybody. Not British nor American or any other nation. Let's not bring in historical animosities or everyone will be lobbing verbal grenades at over centuries old disagreements. lol


Don't worry mate us Brits know Or fellow Brothers in the USA be it from English decent or Irish or Scottish are 99.9% good people that mean well. We know the few bad apples don't represent all of you.
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posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: criticalhit

Your an Ally? Your garbage, garbage that has infested this nation since it's inception, Anglophobe? Related to you?



originally posted by: criticalhit
we are allied with you racist scum...



originally posted by: criticalhit
Your nation is a cancer, look at the way you scoff at anyone who might be an ally Israel, Saudi Arabia, (those Jews and Arabs) Your a joke...



Surely mods this is a T&C Violation? Calling all Brits scum and garbage is disgusting and if I said the same thing amount Arabs or Jews or any other race or nation I would get a T&C removal?

Yeah I might speak out against SOME Americans but I do have the decency to recognize that everyone different and not all Americans are bad.

I thought ATS had better standards than this



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 10:58 AM
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We like war, we are war like people. We like war, because we are good at it. You know why we are good at it? Because we did a lot of practice. This country is only 200 years old and already we have had 10 major wars. We average a major war every 20 years in this country, so we are good at it! And that is good thing we are, we are not very good in anything else anymore. Can't built a decent car, can't make a TV set or VCR where the #. Got no steel industry left, can't educate our young people can't get health care for our old people, but we can bomb the # out of your country alright?! Especially if your country is full of brown people. Oh, we like that, don't we? That's our hobby! That's our new job in the world, bombing brown people! Iraq, Panama, Granada, Libya, you got some brown people in your country, tell them to watch the # out or we will god damn bomb them! Well, when is the last white people you can remember that we bombed. Can you remember the last white people? Can you remember any white people, we have ever bombed? The Germans! Those are the only ones and that is only because they were trying to cutting in our action. They wanted to dominate the world! Bull#! That's our #ing job!

George Carlin



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewokall Americans are xenophobic uneducated buffoons who know nothing about the outside world.



Yes, I did read the rest of your post, but do me a favor and look up the top 100 Universities/Colleges in the world, and tally up who has the most, will ya?



Well that not the UK fault you keep voting in entitled douche bags into office. Remember you got your independence in 1783. You cant have your independence and still blame us for the people you vote into office


Please tell me you actually think the voting system isn't rigged? Not only do they give us two identical douchebags to vote for, but considering for a moment that it isn't rigged in some other manner, the members of the Electoral College don't have to vote for who you tell them to. Essentially, what I'm getting at here is, even if your single vote really did count, in the hundreds of millions of possible voters out there, any one of the members of he EC in any particular state DOES NOT have to vote for the majority vote. So if in lets say, Texas, who has 38 electoral votes, has everyone in the state vote for the Democrat (obviously very unlikely) any or all of the members of the EC in Texas can vote for the Republican.

So that's one very easy way they could rig the elections. Big corporations just pay off the members of the EC. I, however, think it goes deeper than that, beings we always seem to get the same idiots spring up every 4 years. We should have 10 or more to chose from, but instead, it's the two "THEY" selected.




Not our problem that yours for voting in the wrong people.



Again, same thing. Doesn't matter who we vote for, we're screwed either way.



Also





We like war, we are war like people. We like war, because we are good at it. You know why we are good at it? Because we did a lot of practice. This country is only 200 years old and already we have had 10 major wars. We average a major war every 20 years in this country, so we are good at it! And that is good thing we are, we are not very good in anything else anymore. Can't built a decent car, can't make a TV set or VCR where the #. Got no steel industry left, can't educate our young people can't get health care for our old people, but we can bomb the # out of your country alright?! Especially if your country is full of brown people. Oh, we like that, don't we? That's our hobby! That's our new job in the world, bombing brown people! Iraq, Panama, Granada, Libya, you got some brown people in your country, tell them to watch the # out or we will god damn bomb them! Well, when is the last white people you can remember that we bombed. Can you remember the last white people? Can you remember any white people, we have ever bombed? The Germans! Those are the only ones and that is only because they were trying to cutting in our action. They wanted to dominate the world! Bull#! That's our #ing job!

George Carlin





I was gonna say, I thought that had to be a George Carlin quote, lol. I remember that one very well.

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posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Leonidas


Easy now, I am of Scottish descent and I dont hate anybody. Not British nor American or any other nation. Let's not bring in historical animosities or everyone will be lobbing verbal grenades at over centuries old disagreements. lol


Don't worry mate us Brits know Or fellow Brothers in the USA be it from English decent or Irish or Scottish are 99.9% good people that mean well. We know the few bad apples don't represent all of you.


Canadian, BTW, tons of Canadians of Scottish ancestry here. Place names in the West are all Scottish or Native. Lots of understanding for English, Irish, Welsh, American etc. Even the French...our French. We are all ultimately family.

Even if Mircosoft wont let us spell "neighbour" with a "u"...lol

It would be great if ATS could hotly debate contentious issues again without people losing their tempers and getting nasty. I dont know if it is the long winter or what, but tempers seem short.



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 12:29 PM
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It's true, the united states gov. has stuff that's so far into the future that it would scare anybody. stuff we know nothing about reply to: Vovin



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: Vovin

if you consider the United States a superpower then there is only one superpower. If you consider Russia a superpower then there is a few super powers but the United States would not be in that category. The United States is on a totally different level there is no rival for the United States they're the most powerful country in the world and nobody not one country comes even close to the power of the United States.



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 01:49 PM
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If we are talking a conventional warfare, yes we are superior in just about every aspect. Aircraft, carriers, ships, troop experience, and future tech

But, if we are holding territory like in Iraq and Afghanistan it becomes a much more difficult type of war.

The U.S. forces would destroy every piece of Russian infrastructure within the first couple months of a war, not easily of course and not without causalities on both sides

and if we're talking about a 100% effort from the U.S.A. believe me, no country on earth can handle that type of military, not even China. not to mention we have 10+ year battle hardened veterans.

no this is not my **** is bigger then yours contest, just my opinion. Also, Obama using this type of language is not helping the current situation



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 01:53 PM
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We bombed Kosovo in the 1990's, they're white people.... I like George Carlin but people worship him like a damn prophet now



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Leonidas


Easy now, I am of Scottish descent and I dont hate anybody. Not British nor American or any other nation. Let's not bring in historical animosities or everyone will be lobbing verbal grenades at over centuries old disagreements. lol


Don't worry mate us Brits know Or fellow Brothers in the USA be it from English decent or Irish or Scottish are 99.9% good people that mean well. We know the few bad apples don't represent all of you.


Thanks and vice versa too.



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: JDmOKI

Exactly, I mean we've got stealth aircraft:

F-35 and F-22 shown



We've got stealth helicopters:



We've even got stealth boats:





We've got the biggest Airforce, the biggest Navy, the biggest Army and Marines. We've got a whole host of SOF, including 1st SFOD-D (Delta Force), DEVGRU (SEAL Team 6), ISA (The Activity), SAD (CIA Special Activities Division), SOG (CIA Special Operations Group), and those are just the Tier 1 units we have.

All that, plus this:



I mean, how in the hell do you expect to beat us in a conventional war? They even have the new Gerald Ford class carriers coming out now (of which we will have 11 of, and are friggin' huge).

BTW, all that stuff I just mentioned, is just all the stuff they let you know about. With a budget that big, we gotta have some other way cool stuff.
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