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Obama: US military ‘significantly superior’ to Russia’s

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posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 03:36 AM
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Was likely a T&C manners violation
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posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 03:43 AM
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originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: thegeck
a reply to: rock427

You are aware of how Russians fight, are you? Hitler thought he would take it in several months. Good luck with that. 3d Reich fell in result. Russians in Berlin. Napoleon thought he's up for it too. Russians in Paris. Those were the most powerful armies in history. Local conflicts ended pretty much the same. Russia is not Iraq. Don't fool yourself.


Hmm, but on the other side of it the USSR got their asses handed to them in Afghanistan.


And before the German invasion of Russia , Russia got there arses handed to them by Finland.

It seems Russian suck at any offensive opperation but are devils on defence.



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 05:12 AM
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originally posted by: criticalhit

Disgrace to my country why?

Because your attitude the epitome of everything thats bad in the USA.
If I did not know better from your attitude I would summarize all Americans are xenophobic uneducated buffoons who know nothing about the outside world.

But luckily I do know better, hence why I use the term Merikan to differentiate between normal Americans who are no different between me and dumb witted xenophobic uneducated buffoons who I know make up only a small percentage of Americans.

I will leave it up to you to decide if your a American or Merikan.


originally posted by: criticalhit

Because I don't think England and France (maybe a genuinely united Eu) actually are significant enough on the world stage any more to warrant a permanent seat on the Un security council?

Well under your conditions it would be just the USA and China. Not much of a council then




originally posted by: criticalhit
Because I feel like the British history is riddled with nasty things

And the USA isnt?

Slavery
Genocide of the Natives
Land stealing
The atrocity's in the Philippine war and Vietnam war?

USA is hardly whiter than white. So dont throw stones in glasses houses and all that!




originally posted by: criticalhit
a monarchy still in place in anyway is obscene in the 21st century

Again you show you utter lack of knowledge. You do know our monarchy holds no political power right?



originally posted by: criticalhit
and I remember all too well why we kicked your hineys in the first place?

You use a ? in a question not as a statement.

IE
DO you remember why we kicked your hineys in the first place?


originally posted by: criticalhit
Because all of our presidents are still decended from bloodlines and have ties to ridiculous organizations formed back in the old world by you?

Well that not the UK fault you keep voting in entitled douche bags into office. Remember you got your independence in 1783. You cant have your independence and still blame us for the people you vote into office




originally posted by: criticalhit
Because truthfully British politics in general lend nothing to American ideas of freedom

Who abolished slavery first? Britain
Right for Women to vote? Britain
Equal rights for gays? Britain

I could go on......

O and due to that whole independence thing why should British politics have anything to do with America?


originally posted by: criticalhit
and I feel you have way too much influence on us and

Not our problem that yours for voting in the wrong people.


originally posted by: criticalhit
because your history is riddled with the oppression f other people

And your isnt? Im sure the black and Native population would thoroughly disagree with that!

originally posted by: criticalhit
and I think there are better allies out there?

Like who?
Israel?
Saudi Arabia?

Good luck with them before they stab you in the back HA!


originally posted by: criticalhit
Go away your agendas and issues have never done us any good, in fact it's your crusades and Imperialism that started 90% of the serious conflicts that make the world distrust the West to this day.

Quick history lesson for you.

America did not exists when thew crusade happen. I know your Anglophobe brain is loath to admit it but your ancestors were my ancestors at that time America was Britain. You share that same disgraceful part of history until you invent a time machine and go back and change it

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posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 05:15 AM
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originally posted by: Arnie123

You get use to the anti american rhetoric.


So again not under estimating Russia is anti american rhetoric?

If you are in the US armed forces I honestly hope your not a officers and have no decision making powers!

originally posted by: Arnie123
Don't let it get to you, these guys feel vastly inferior to American power, its like, we are not even trying to be, we are just who we are.

/Yawn

originally posted by: Arnie123
Every great nation has a few folks like this who wish it's downfall.

I don't wish Americas downfall, hence why Im saying don't underestimate Russia as I don't want to see America go the way as NAZI Germany.

But if you cant grasp that concept then there is no hope for you.





posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 05:23 AM
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originally posted by: criticalhit
What are you guys, a crummy Island

Yup we are a Island, clever boy have a gold star.

Don't know about the crumbs though, saying that we do like our pastry's.


originally posted by: criticalhit
, a failed Empire,

All empire fail eventually. 500 years time the USA will be a failed empire too right next to the British empire and there will be a new power. And if History is anything to go by it will be form a unexpected place too like the Empire of Fuji or the Icelandic confederation or the Great Kingdom of Luxemburg.


originally posted by: criticalhit
a system renowned for pissing off the entire world

And the USA dosnt?

All super powers end up pissing off the world. Comes with the job old boy.


originally posted by: criticalhit
, so many conspiracies stem from your nation you could build a branch of ats just to cover them...

Again and the USA doesn't?


originally posted by: criticalhit
How are you even allies? You and the rest of Nato don't pay for squat by comparison, always, always negative statements about us,


Well if Merikans stopped with the stupid statements I guess we would too. Works both ways.


originally posted by: criticalhit
your own blood is apparently more precious than ours in every conflict, you were only cool in WW@ because the Germans were wiping the floor with you.

WW@?

When did that war happen?

originally posted by: criticalhit
Your global relevance in my lifetime was the Falkland Island War...

Yup a good example of how to win a war quickly.



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 05:25 AM
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Russian foreign policy - including the Soviet era - has always primarily been about defending the home turf. They are less interested in projecting that power over great distances. Hence the lack of a significant navy and no functioning aircraft carriers to take the fight elsewhere.

The American military - on it's own without NATO - is already significantly stronger than Russia by orders of magnitude. It was during the peak of the Soviet Union and it certainly is now. The Russian Navy is still in a rebuilding phase and they are still far behind the US Airforce. Substantially.

The Russian Army is a formidable force and is still the priority.

The Russian Military is still playing catch-up and will be for some time. They are a threat to their neighbours, both in capability and intent. But they are in no position to be a real threat to the West.



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 05:30 AM
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a reply to: Leonidas
I think the Russian rule with offense is let the enemy Invade then chew the invaders up to such a extent most there military is smashed in the vast burning fields of Russia and the country broke. Its then Russia goes on the offensive and how they ended up in Berlin and before that Paris.



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 05:32 AM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Its called a scorched earth policy and Russia used it to prevent critical infrastructure / supplies / etc from falling into Nazi hands. They even packed up their manufacturing centers and moved them farther east.



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 05:38 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: crazyewok

Its called a scorched earth policy and Russia used it to prevent critical infrastructure / supplies / etc from falling into Nazi hands. They even packed up their manufacturing centers and moved them farther east.



Yup exactly.

Least some here know there history!

And I wouldnt be surprised if they tried it again.

This time I could see they uses tac nukes to ruin there own soil and deny a advanceing army passage.



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 05:45 AM
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a reply to: crazyewok

I don't think that doctrine is valid anymore with the advances in manufacturing / technology.

The other advantage gained by scorched earth -

The enemy becomes overconfident due to light resistance.
As they push forward, taking in more territory, they are forced to garrison / protect flanks / etc.
The big issue is it lengthens the advancing army's supply lines.

The Germans got tagged with that in WWII in Russia, a partial issue when they blitzed through the Benelux countries. The Allies got hit with it after D-Day when they made impressive inroads into French territory. The drive to Germany was a back and forth between Montgomery and Patton. One advances, supplies to the other goes stagnant. The supply line issue is why the allies wanted Antwerp - Deep water and close to the front.

Modern technology pretty much made scorched earth obsolete.

ETA - If my response came across as rude my apologies. It was not my intent.


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posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 05:47 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: Leonidas
I think the Russian rule with offense is let the enemy Invade then chew the invaders up to such a extent most there military is smashed in the vast burning fields of Russia and the country broke. Its then Russia goes on the offensive and how they ended up in Berlin and before that Paris.


Yes. Russia poses it's greatest threat to Europe. And yes, they are willing to sacrifice Russian soil to save the whole. As I am sure you are aware, the Soviet Union lost over 25,000,000 lives in WW2. That is a just a staggering number. It is also what makes them a formidable foe, they are willing to take gigantic, horrific losses to secure the greater homeland.

They feel surrounded by threats and potential enemies and have built their military based on that.

North Americans live a charmed life by comparison. We have two oceans and Canada and America respectively, as neighbours. (Leaving Mexico out on purpose for now. I think you understand)



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 05:47 AM
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posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 06:20 AM
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After page after page, I still dont see how Russias military is superior to USA. Any battles will probably not lead to invasion, why would someone provoke a land invasion on a nuclear country? A battle would most likely happen outside of Russia, naval engagements, conflicts in eastern europe, etc. Making points about Russia can never be invaded doesnt solve anything, Russia dont have the experience (unlike the USA and Nato) or possibly even the ability to invade far-off places like California, let alone the USA, so the "cant invade Russia" argument seems a little off if people want to hold that in some significance in this debate, because Russia would have a scratch of a chance of invading anything (just thinking about the travel to the USA for them shows how many US allies and US partners they have to safely cross by) - imo.

Russia would get crushed in these engagements. And to use WW2 to make a point, i dont know many people who would believe Germany would have lost against the Russians if they didnt push east for Invasion. If Russia stepped out of its country for an offense against Germany, they would have lost, even the way history played out you still have noted Generals who said Russia was close to losing the war to Germany when they pushed into Russia. www.telegraph.co.uk...

Plus, USA is a world power with influence... Russia is not the Soviet Union, many wouldn't even consider it a superpower.
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posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 06:23 AM
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a reply to: ammocase

It's not.

American military is vastly superior in pretty much every way possible. Russia is stronger than it's neighbours, but not America and certainly not Nato



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 06:37 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: crazyewok

I don't think that doctrine is valid anymore with the advances in manufacturing / technology.

The other advantage gained by scorched earth -

The enemy becomes overconfident due to light resistance.
As they push forward, taking in more territory, they are forced to garrison / protect flanks / etc.
The big issue is it lengthens the advancing army's supply lines.

The Germans got tagged with that in WWII in Russia, a partial issue when they blitzed through the Benelux countries. The Allies got hit with it after D-Day when they made impressive inroads into French territory. The drive to Germany was a back and forth between Montgomery and Patton. One advances, supplies to the other goes stagnant. The supply line issue is why the allies wanted Antwerp - Deep water and close to the front.

Modern technology pretty much made scorched earth obsolete.

ETA - If my response came across as rude my apologies. It was not my intent.



No worry's not rude at all mate.

And I would say my jury is undecided on if Tec had negated the scorch earth policy or not. Maybe it has? I don't know.

Germany likely thought exactly the same that WW2 tec would negate what happened to the French.

Maye tec has now? But its not something im 100% confident on.
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posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 06:53 AM
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Ewok, LOL, how do I know every American who disagrees with you is the epitome of this and that?

You go into Slavery, Slavery existed in England since before Roman times, you have a 2000 year history of it. In fact you were an integral part of the slave trade, there would have been no slaves in America without the western European nations whose companies exported slaves in the first place.

You talk about the natives, whose persecution ran off the first settlers to the new world?

Monarchy has no actual political power? The god damned money controls the political power, you have to be kidding me...

Your entire history is nothing but oppression of other people, you hide behind bank accounts these days, your one of a handful of nations who use wealth to influence our politics for the negative.

Who would be on the UN, Us and China... NO, maybe the 22 other nations that represent a greater percentage of world population than you do... and your crown of stolen money and bs influence.

Let's talk WW2, do you think we actually showed up in Europe and ended up being over run by the military industrial complex if it weren't for you?

People want truth, you want to debate, instead of call people ignorant?


"Jonathan Williams recorded in his book, Legions of Satan, 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington during his surrender that "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown."...."in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire."

www.modernhistoryproject.org...

American and British Intelligence have documented evidence that the House of Rothschild, and other International Bankers, have financed both sides of every war, since the American Revolution. Financier Haym Salomon, who supported the patriots during the American Revolution, then later made loans to James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and James Monroe, was a Rothschild agent. As explained earlier, during the Napoleonic Wars, one branch of the family funded Napoleon, while another financed Great Britain, Germany, and other nations. Their boldest maneuver came prior to the Civil War.

The Rothschilds operate out of an area in the heart of London, England, the financial district, which is known as 'The City', or the 'Square Mile.' All major British banks have their main offices here, along with branch offices for 385 foreign banks, including 70 from the United States. It is here that you will find the Bank of England, the Stock Exchange, Lloyd's of London, the Baltic Exchange (shipping contracts), Fleet Street (home of publishing and newspaper interests), the London Commodity Exchange (to trade coffee, rubber, sugar and wool), and the London Metal Exchange. It is virtually the financial hub of the world.

Positioned on the north bank of the Thames River, covering an area of 677 acres or one square mile (known as the "wealthiest square mile on earth"), it has enjoyed special rights and privileges that enabled them to achieve a certain level of independence since 1191. In 1215, its citizens received a Charter from King John, granting them the right to annually elect a mayor (known as the Lord Mayor), a tradition that continues today.


Both E. C. Knuth, in his book Empire of the City, and Des Grif"

Your an Ally? Your garbage, garbage that has infested this nation since it's inception, Anglophobe? Related to you?

[snipped]

Do you even know what % of America's Caucasian population is descended from you guys? 15% of an ethnicity that soon will only represent a little more than half the nation, that's 7.5 %. So we are related to you as a nation anymore? Hardly...

You mention who would be better allies, Saudi Arabia Israel... YES, them and a lot of nations we stay at odds with because we are allied with you racist scum... Yeah the Jews you set up for destruction after ww2, yeah the Muslims who you have been creating crusades against for ages... Yeah the Germans who you used us to defeat because your still fighting for control of Europe, the and every one else your damned Rothschild banker scum has financed us to fight all these years....

Your nation is a cancer, look at the way you scoff at anyone who might be an ally Israel, Saudi Arabia, (those Jews and Arabs) Your a joke...

And just so this is't off topic... Right now, Us Vs Russia... what the hell reason on Earth do OUR children need to be involved with YOUR problem of Russia in YOUR Yard? Because we share a language? How the hell has it been in Americas interest to fight a god damned cold war against the Russians all these years? When the hell was Russia planning to invade the United States? particularly now as China and Russia wax capitalist what on gods name of earth do we need to be involved in paying for your defense and the whole of Europe's absolute crap military with our blood and money OTHER THAN the fact that you guys actually run the show here and we are STILL in a way a god damned colony of your stolen wealth?



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posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 07:19 AM
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As soon as you stated you where of Irish/Scottish decent i now understand where you anti-British views come from. You summed it up perfectly in those two words.
We can now move on and leave you to fester in your own hatred of Britain in your cesspool of a mind.

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posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 08:34 AM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: criticalhit

As soon as you stated you where of Irish/Scottish decent i now understand where you anti-British views come from. You summed it up perfectly in those two words.
We can now move on and leave you to fester in your own hatred of Britain in your cesspool of a mind.


Ahh that's why. Explains it all now.



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 08:38 AM
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It seems Russian suck at any offensive opperation but are devils on defence.


I think that is true but also people when defending their homeland are always more ferocious in battle.



posted on Apr, 20 2014 @ 08:49 AM
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originally posted by: whywhynot
a reply to: crazyewok




It seems Russian suck at any offensive opperation but are devils on defence.


I think that is true but also people when defending their homeland are always more ferocious in battle.


True that.

I think Russia has the advantage of a large population and enormous land area too which has complicated any military operation.



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