How Come Christians Can't Do Spiritual Powers Miracles Signs Like Jesus Christ?

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posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:34 AM
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Mark 16:17-18 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

The main power here is curing sick people. I would like to see people curing people. I think there is a lot of truth lacking. How sick can a person be and get well with someone placing their hands on them. It's not working. Priests go to hospitals to talk to the sick but the sick don't get better.

What are your suggestions for why it's not working? Maybe everyone is a sinner and there isn't even a single true believer alive yet. Perhaps we are waiting for the first believer.

If one person learned how to do it learned the truth he could teach others. But at the moment the world is stuck. The power is not working.

Lets take a head count? Who here can place there hands on someone and heal them? Is it such a bad thing to practice? Prayer seems to have failed as well.

If death is the enemy death is kicking ass. Will knowledge defeat death? What is your answer. I would take a Christian anyday over someone who doesn't even want to fight death and is happy to just die. Christians are at least active in the battle against death. They see death as an enemy. This is correct.

Immortality is definitely something to desire. A pain free struggle free tear free existence would be wonderful and that's exactly how I imagine Eternal Life.

But I also imagine Eternal Life with powers. Like the ability to walk on water or feed 5000 from a couple loaves of bread. Turn water into wine. And also to do greater things than these.

What is your definition of talking in new tongues?

Could there be a science to the laying on of hands? Perhaps the power is a responsibility. What is the key to unlocking the mystery of curing the sick by the laying of on hands. I know it's practised but it doesn't work at the moment.

I'm not sure I believe in Demons but I know that many people get pleasure out of doing evil to others and live as friends of death. There is plenty and much evil in the world. People can be very evil and I simply don't know what the answer is.

I'm sorry for boring you. I live in a fantasy world where we should all have powers and there shouldn't be any death or evil. I would like to see powers established in this world.

I guess so many have tried and failed and so many say it's impossible that there's not much point in thinking about it. My hope wains.

What do you think. Lots of people claim to have powers of some type but generally they don't and they are liars or delusional or small in mind.

What does a well built house consist of? Is it just enough to get to 80 and then die. This is a mystery. It's pretty difficult to get to 80 years of age. If your sick your generally suffering. I would like to see this suffering become a thing of the the past.

Even in the huge church gatherings where there's like 20k people no one actually gets healed. We all copy each other. Perhaps this is the problem. We copy someone who doesn't know what they are doing.

How does the laying on of hands actually work? Does it require words or prayer? Give your instructions on how to lay your hands on someone and heal them.

I mean how hard can it be. You put your hands on someone and hey presto. Yep nope. Guess it doesn't work.

I guess I have to move my beliefs about Jesus beliefs into the either to hard or don't believe basket. It's kind of like a myth or legend the bible so hard to believe. I'm pretty sure Jesus existed and that he was crucified and died a horrible death. But the resurrection is pretty tough to believe in.

Jesus is the owner of the church.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Jesus Christ has had 2000 years and hasn't produced many results. Who believes in the above scripture. Perhaps you can explain your belief in it.

Many people call on the name of Jesus Christ. I would like to see results.

I mean the church is massive. It has heaps of different branches and millions of members. But it's not working. People go every Sunday but no power is produced.

I guess I don't believe in Jesus. I'm sorry that I don't. I can believe in powers which means I can believe Jesus had them. But I have no powers myself.

I desire immortality and heaven. There is no evidence for Jesus other than people with no power.

If you do the things that Jesus did then you would be famous instantly. Knowledge of the lord would fill the whole earth.

Show me the Love. I don't sense any love. It's so very hard to see love in this darkness. Do you have any love for me?

What are your opinions. How far away are we from having powers? I guess science and tech will be the answer.

What abilities do you have? If you had powers the Govt would snaffle you right quick.

Am I dreaming about powers? What sort of power is love?

Sorry again for boring you.

Answer yourself.



Leeda




posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:44 AM
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Immortality is definitely something to desire. A pain free struggle free tear free existence would be wonderful and that's exactly how I imagine Eternal Life.


Sounds like you just want life handed to you on a silver platter. Pain is life's way of making you earn your happiness.
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posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:45 AM
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Yeah, nah. You've pretty much got the wrong end of the stick with this one.

All of those elusive things can and very much do happen today as they always have. They are not super powers that a person can learn, attain or buy on Ebay though.

I've seen miracles with my own two eyes and when such things occur a person is a vessel of God's will. They happen on his terms and on his timetable. So expectations are the worst thing you can bring when hunting for a miracle because hopes will be dashed normally and then something may happen when you least expect it.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:46 AM
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there are people who can reportedly do this. My favorite case was studied by Don Elkins & Carla L. Rueckert in the 70's.
I'll leave you to do the googling.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:47 AM
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I call out to Jesus Christ a lot. Never heard from him. Needed some help but never got any. I'm still alive. Poverty is terrible.

I find poverty hard. Poverty hurts me. I struggle ever so much. Gee life is hard.

Have experienced Ultimate Suffering.




posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:51 AM
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leeda
Christians are at least active in the battle against death. They see death as an enemy. This is correct.

Um ... no. Christians see death as their birthday into their real life in their real home ... Heaven. For Christians, Earth is a Vale of Tears . Philippians 3:20 - But we are citizens of heaven, where the Lord Jesus Christ lives. And we are eagerly waiting for him to return as our Savior.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:52 AM
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leeda
I call out to Jesus Christ a lot. Never heard from him. Needed some help but never got any. I'm still alive. Poverty is terrible.

I find poverty hard. Poverty hurts me. I struggle ever so much. Gee life is hard.

Have experienced Ultimate Suffering.



As w say in the catholic church, 'we all have our cross to bear' i.e. we all suffer in some way or another. I'm not looking to turn this into a pity party, but I've suffered too.

Start thanking Jesus for things you do have, like the internet that allows you to participate in this forum for instance. The blessings flow when we have a glad heart
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posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:52 AM
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Do all Christians have to perform miracles? Or will it suffice that some do it?

Miracles of the Saints



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:54 AM
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leeda
I call out to Jesus Christ a lot. Never heard from him. Needed some help but never got any. I'm still alive. Poverty is terrible.

I find poverty hard. Poverty hurts me. I struggle ever so much. Gee life is hard.

Have experienced Ultimate Suffering.



Oh, so you've been crucified, flayed alive, dropped in a pit of fire ants, forced to watch your family subjected to the same torments, etc?

I didn't think so.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:54 AM
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Show me the Love. I don't sense any love. It's so very hard to see love in this darkness.

This could be a sign of clinical depression.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:55 AM
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According to Google, Jesus did not invent the internet.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:59 AM
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leeda
I find poverty hard. Poverty hurts me.

You are on a computer and on the internet and posting. That's not poverty.

THIS is ultimate suffering and poverty ...



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 08:00 AM
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Good one! Lol.

I meant be thankful for the fact that you are able to access the internet, not thank Jesus for inventing it. Its an old Christian trick to help overcome depression -counting your blessings i.e. say thanks to God for anything positive you can think of.

Its the same thing psychotherapists use, except they remove the God aspect.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 08:03 AM
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Well said.
But now I am feeling depressed after looking at that photo...

I will need to count my blessings. And by that, I mean actually going over what is good in my life and being thankful for the many things... not just saying it.

Thank you for reminding us.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 08:12 AM
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Well, I know of at least one miracle that is attributed to Jesus that is done every day.

The resurrection of the dead.

Theyre called doctors.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 08:43 AM
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I am not a pure enough person to be united to the Spirit of the Living God.

Power is obtained through constant abstinence, fasting, and prayer.

Like the 40 days in the desert thing.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 09:16 AM
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A lot of people here made very good points, so I wont touch upon them.

I've seen healing hands often as a child, but by people who had a huge amount of faith on the ability. I don't think that it's a lost craft as much as it is a lost faith and practice today. More and more people are going away from the old ways and going into some new style of their old religion. It's like a dying language, in a sense. Eventually, everyone learns english and forgets the language or practice and beliefs of their fathers.

I've seen the healing but it's left up to the will of God. Though, that still shows a lack of faith in the ability, and perhaps once, people just believed in God and that he would give them the full range of the practice and they were able to do more.

So, I see it as the amount of your faith in what you do is the ability you have doing it. If you believe you can raise the dead, and you truely believe this and acknowlege where it comes from, then you, my friend, will raise the dead. Jesus had NO doubt in his power. Even remember reading that his disiples did the same. So, it's not exclusive to him, and given freely to all who believe. It's the whole faith moving moutains thing.

I also believe when i pray, my prayers are answered more when I believe that they will be than when I doubt them. I doubt a lot but I try to make my faith stronger than my doubts. Often, my humbleness seems to play a part. Believe it and go off and let God deal with it, my grandmother used to say. She was a big believer in such things like healing.

But... Remember... God has a plan too, and sometimes he may heal in ways or do things in ways that we don't understand, but often times, we get exactly what we ask for. Just not always in the way we 'think' we ask it. As one poster said... Life is a lesson and if we believe, then we have to take the lessons that we are made to bare.

If you ask God to help you be a good person, you may end up with more burdens and trials, because you HAVE to live through such things to understand. It's not like sitting in a class room and just reading about it. How better to know if you actually live it? I'm a big believer in this. I always learn lessons through my trials, though I don't always apply, but I tend to go through the same trials. I also feel that if I turn from God, then my trials will end and hell.... I might even be a happier person and have money and whatever I want... then perhaps not because God might teach me a hard lesson because he wants me more than he doesn't. And if he lets me go, then my trials may stop and I will learn nothing and grow not one bit in wisdom. I'll be free from the trials, but I would be damned to my own devices.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 09:56 AM
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AfterInfinity

leeda
I call out to Jesus Christ a lot. Never heard from him. Needed some help but never got any. I'm still alive. Poverty is terrible.

I find poverty hard. Poverty hurts me. I struggle ever so much. Gee life is hard.

Have experienced Ultimate Suffering.



Oh, so you've been crucified, flayed alive, dropped in a pit of fire ants, forced to watch your family subjected to the same torments, etc?

I didn't think so.


That's of a poor imagination, comparative pain is nonsense unless it's comparing something like a scrape vs. a broken arm. Pain is relative to sensitivity to it; While admittedly the original poster may simply be a drama queen regarding their pains, it's a dick move to dismiss anothers pain by simply listing a number of things that you subjectively picture to be worse than whatever you might conceive they may have gone/are going through.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 10:02 AM
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It's true that Jesus encouraged his followers to do what he did, and he promised that they will be able to perform the same and even greater miracles.


John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.


But I don't believe that Jesus instructed his followers to drink deadly poison, pick up deadly snakes or go around laying hands on people with infectious diseases, and NOT wash up afterwards. And, who knew what speaking in tongues was at that point?


Matthew 4:7
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.


Biblical scholars, Like Bart Ehrman, argue that the Gospel of Mark ends with the story of the women going to the grave. The rest is "pious fraud" added later to give more structure to the story of Jesus' resurrection. And, in my opinion is one of the most dangerous verses in the entire Bible, certainly in the New Testament, and who knows how many people have died because of it.




posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 10:04 AM
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FlyersFan

leeda
I find poverty hard. Poverty hurts me.

You are on a computer and on the internet and posting. That's not poverty.

THIS is ultimate suffering and poverty ...


It could be the ultimate suffering to you since you may know something vastly different…. but if that's all you ever knew would that truly be the ultimate suffering to you? Possibly not. It's a thing relative to personal experience, just as a to go meal from Chick-fil-A might be the ultimate in food indulgence for that poor child, and to you not so much. Depth of suffering isn't based out of comparative perspective, people seek to marginalize their and others suffering by saying "It could be worse, you could be -insert someone worse off-" but it doesn't change what you feel based out of your own experience pool (though it does seem to make some feel better to see or know of people doing ostensibly worse than they are).
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