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Putin changes course, admits Russian troops were in Crimea before vote

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posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 09:54 AM
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it's a bit off topic but DCMA notices in the west have closed down more sites than Putin could ever do and I would do a Google to show sites that have been closed here but I am afraid I would hit the brick wall of Google who now hide 90% of the worlds internet to make this case.

All I can say is here in the west our ISP's now decide if we as adults can view erotic/porn as if we are little kids and I don't think they do that in Russia or even China.

Back on subject you might learn from this www.youtube.com...

Lets have some hard proof of just when or where the pictures were taken please.


greencmp
Interesting that ATS isn't blocked in Russia, hmmm?


that would be cus the commies don't read english ..... err..... sorry..... american


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posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 09:58 AM
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VirusGuard
reply to post by Soshh
Please point out in history the last time a large army invaded a country, didn't level a town or shoot a shoot and ran back across the border

Hitler took Austria without any shots fired in the 30's. A majority welcomed their new overlords.
The question is, why lie about who's guys those were if he isn't up to anything shady?
Honestly, any time I see any countries mouth piece deny their involvement, I just assume it's a lie.
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posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 10:04 AM
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zilebeliveunknown

SLAYER69
reply to post by zilebeliveunknown
 


This was posted so members of various opinions can discuss the topic freely not for some sort of half assed psychological evaluation of what you think someone may or may not have fallen for.


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That's exactly what I did.
I laid my opinion that you fell for media spin, OR, you deliberately posted this thread to fool people who aren't educated enough on the matter so they can draw conclusion in favor on one side only.

But in the end it's quite simple.
There were Russian troops legally stationed in Crimea before this mess even started. And that fact alone could explain how this article doesn't hold water.

ETA: Media spins are psychological games.
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There were Russians stationed on the Russian base in Crimea, and had legal jurisdiction only on the base. Then troops began showing up without any national markings throughout the entirety of Crimea, that Russia claimed were "Crimea Militia Forces", on Ukraine soil (off the Russian base), this would be illegal if those troops were Russian (thus the lacking national markings), to admit those "unmarked" troops were Russian Military forces on Ukrainian soil (outside of the base jurisdiction) proves the act illegal.

Just because the US has a base in Okinawa, does not mean that can occupy the whole of Kyushu, and all cities therein founded upon sovereign Japanese soil. Their jurisdiction is the base limits.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 10:09 AM
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Maybe the same reason our press forgot to mention that Russia by law has always had troops in the area like what happened at the start of this conflict but now we all know better.

I can show you pictures of American military bases all over Europe and convince half the population that we are being invaded because half the public don't even know they are here.

Did Hitler remove/hide his troops the next day like we are being lead to believe happened in the Ukraine, apples and oranges



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 10:17 AM
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Thanks for the update on this, Slayer. It's appreciated.

Having followed this like a personal event since day 1, I can definitely say I find it interesting to see him finally admit those weren't Pro-Russian protesters, well wishers or local militia. I suppose he never said they weren't, technically...so it's a word game of omissions more than anything being cleared up. Still, it's important for the timeline I believe.

Now, my big question here.... At least one unit in Crimea was Russian G.R.U., as photographs of their vehicle with plates clearly visible tended to show when compared to the guy in one vs. ones taken well before this and in very very different settings. I doubt we'll ever get that confirmed I suppose...but knowing the streets were running over with Russian flagged forces is enough. I guess they can drop the balaclavas now. No need to hide anymore.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 10:17 AM
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Yes and No. You gave one example that suits the point you are trying to prove. How about the countries the United States isnt at war with per se, but we still blow people up in said country with drones? Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan. Last time I checked we were guarding opium plants in Afghanistan. We got bases there. They invaded Pakistan allegedly for Bin Laden....which was conveniently never verified. We basically control Japan. Japan technically doesnt have an offensive military capability. It is expressly forbidden since the end of ww2. The United States is obligated to defend Japan. Japan also isnt bordering the United States. The dynamic over there is totally different than any other I can think of. The people in Crimea for all intents and purposes are Russians. There is no place in the world that the United States can say that about.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 10:20 AM
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VirusGuard
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maybe Putin had not seen the pictures when he said "local militias" because he knew his men were not fighting in the country and when he did see the pictures he said they "were Russian soldiers" because he realized they were part of the 25,000 that are allowed to be in the Ukraine.

Okaaaay.. Politicians do sometimes lie, you know. You don't have to invent bizarre scenarios to avoid coming to terms with this. Would you defend a Western politician in the same way?


Please point out in history the last time a large army invaded a country, didn't level a town or shoot a shoot and ran back across the border.

Shots were fired during the annexation of Crimea. Sorry, even the Ruskies aren't that good.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 10:29 AM
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VirusGuard
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Maybe the same reason our press forgot to mention that Russia by law has always had troops in the area like what happened at the start of this conflict but now we all know better.

I can show you pictures of American military bases all over Europe and convince half the population that we are being invaded because half the public don't even know they are here.

Did Hitler remove/hide his troops the next day like we are being lead to believe happened in the Ukraine, apples and oranges

They always had the right to be on their own base. No doubt about that. The rules change once they leave that base.
I'm not defending us bases everywhere, but that's a moot point here. Deplorable, yes. Comparable here, no.
I'm not seeing where the troops were removed/hidden. The referendum is over. Crimea is won. Do they really need to still roam the streets?



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 10:29 AM
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Yes.. Russia has had troops in Crimea since they let Ukraine secede and run independently, claiming they would let them run their own country as long as they stick with Russia.
(Understandable considering the amount of resources Putin and Russia and general have poured into Ukraine, which honestly dwarfs the Assistance we've purposed.).

So.. Decades. With an s. That's how long he's had troops there. And in fact I believe back in the nineties an agreement was signed, giving Russia the right to stick up to 30,000 troops in Crimea at any given time.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 10:34 AM
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zilebeliveunknown
reply to post by Soshh
 

I don't know why you're stuck on 'little green men'.
It is entirely irrelevant what Putin or anyone else have said.
What is important is that we here on ATS already knew who 'little green men' were by simply using logic.

I am perplexed. Back in the real world (where I am from), what the Russian President says -and why he has said it- is far more important than what members of a conspiracy website think. Why don't you want to talk about it?



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 10:38 AM
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Soshh
Shots were fired during the annexation of Crimea. Sorry, even the Ruskies aren't that good.


Yes but i am not talking about farmers shooting pheasants and "Back in the real world (where I am from)" i think the official death toll during the voting was one as I pointed out before.

To date I have seen no proof of where or when the pictures were taken and in this day and age if a Russian army had gone into a major town pointing guns then someone would had recorded the events on a mobile phone.

I am trying to see logic in your argument but Russia would use it's special forces to do any undercover/ underhanded work and note move troops across the border, do nothing and then run back.

it's the same lies we got at the beginning of fighting in Syria where we were told the Russians are coming but I am still waiting two years later for that one and yes they did/do have some personal at a naval yard somewhere or another in Syria.



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posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 10:52 AM
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VirusGuard
Yes but i am not talking about farmers shooting pheasants.

I know that you're not and neither am I, not unless 'farmers' is code for Russian soldiers, and 'pheasants' the Ukrainians in their bases.


VirusGuard
To date I have seen no proof of where or when the pictures were taken and in this day and age if a Russian army had gone into a major town pointing guns then someone would had recorded the events on a mobile phone.

I appreciate that this may come as a shock to you, but there are in fact plenty of videos out there depicting this kind of thing:



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 10:57 AM
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I believe the bases werent taken over until after the referendum. A russian soldier as well as a crimean soldier lost their lives and the funerals were held together. It cant even be proven that russians started the shooting. Just like the protests in kiev. Protesters as well as police were shot by snipers. There are obviously agent provocateurs on the ground and judging by the overwhelming respons from NATO it really isnt hard to tell who supplied them.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 10:58 AM
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Soshh

zilebeliveunknown
reply to post by Soshh
 

I don't know why you're stuck on 'little green men'.
It is entirely irrelevant what Putin or anyone else have said.
What is important is that we here on ATS already knew who 'little green men' were by simply using logic.

I am perplexed. Back in the real world (where I am from), what the Russian President says -and why he has said it- is far more important than what members of a conspiracy website think. Why don't you want to talk about it?

LOL, good luck with listening trained liars.
And thank you, I have my own eyes and ears.

eta: and brain.
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posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 11:39 AM
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Russia has every right to be in the Crimea after the election and that Youtube is from the Crimea so let me raise you one

www.youtube.com...

Sorry you cannot watch it on PressTV in the land of the free because your government now decides what you can watch on your own TV screens but you might recognize the uniforms and the crowd calling out "Blackwater" not knowing it's now graystone

Steven Seagal warns that a lot of americans are not getting the news about whats really going on

www.youtube.com...

He says "and then thugs with firebombs came in" when talking about the right-wing in the Ukraine that the west have been forced to now admit too.

The far right must be so stupid because they did all the pushing during the overthrow of an elected leader (Russian puppet i agree), became an embarrassment and were asked to hand all the guns in but later when pro-Russian / Separatists / Anti-US-EU protesters started up then they were the first to quit protesting in Kiev against those they helped to come to power and rush out to kill these protesters in the east.

Do you think we should let them kill the protesters in the east ?

The reason I ask is because Obama has said not one word to make the government/thugs call off the dogs

Now if Russia had killed protesters it would be all over the news 24/7 and it will be all over the news 24/7 when Russia is finally forced to step in to restore order.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 12:49 PM
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the owlbear
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I wonder when Obama will go on tv for a q and a saying CIA goons were hanging out EVERYWHERE in the Ukraine stirring the pot.

Actually, I dont because the answer is never.


I wonder when Putin will go on 'tv' and admit the FSB 'goons' hanging out 'everywhere' and was stirring the pot.

Same old song, and dance on here.

Blame the west, blame the 'CIA', and ignore what Putin, and his thugs do.

Typical.
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posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 04:32 PM
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I wonder when terms like "international law", "sovereignty", "territorial integrity" and "political independence" mean something again.

For everyone.


*why does my post look so weird. Is ATS changing AGAIN??
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posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 05:02 PM
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originally posted by: ElohimJD

zilebeliveunknown

SLAYER69
reply to post by zilebeliveunknown
 


This was posted so members of various opinions can discuss the topic freely not for some sort of half assed psychological evaluation of what you think someone may or may not have fallen for.


That's exactly what I did.
I laid my opinion that you fell for media spin, OR, you deliberately posted this thread to fool people who aren't educated enough on the matter so they can draw conclusion in favor on one side only.

But in the end it's quite simple.
There were Russian troops legally stationed in Crimea before this mess even started. And that fact alone could explain how this article doesn't hold water.

ETA: Media spins are psychological games.


There were Russians stationed on the Russian base in Crimea, and had legal jurisdiction only on the base. Then troops began showing up without any national markings throughout the entirety of Crimea, that Russia claimed were "Crimea Militia Forces", on Ukraine soil (off the Russian base), this would be illegal if those troops were Russian (thus the lacking national markings), to admit those "unmarked" troops were Russian Military forces on Ukrainian soil (outside of the base jurisdiction) proves the act illegal.

Just because the US has a base in Okinawa, does not mean that can occupy the whole of Kyushu, and all cities therein founded upon sovereign Japanese soil. Their jurisdiction is the base limits.


Thank you. I don't know why everyone who screams "Russia has always had troops in Crimea" keep either missing this entirely or ignoring it on purpose. They had a base in Crimea, not permission to storm in and annex it for mother Russia.
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posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 06:18 PM
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OK credit where it is due and yes I concede that I did't think that Putin had a large number of troops in the Crimea before the election took place.

########################################### Respect ##################################

huff, one of my shorts posts but I do wish more people would admit when they are wrong, not pointed towards slayer in any way


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posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 06:52 PM
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a reply to: neo96

At least Putin admits when he was wrong before we all see it as a sign of weakness and not a sign of strength and don't take it as a licence to say everything Russia says is a pack of lies because you will only be fooling yourself.

"I did not have sexual intercourse with that woman"

Putin admitted a month ago that with hindsight he had made mistakes in the Ukraine but that would take Obama years to say because he needs permission first from the money masters and they don't care what a dick people think he is so long as he says what the scripts tells him to say.

if SHTF and we are left living in a cave then out of the two I know which one I want as my room mate.



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