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Putin changes course, admits Russian troops were in Crimea before vote

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posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 06:53 AM
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SLAYER69

zilebeliveunknown
It is the whole another point how MSM using words to spin and suit their agenda.
Wake up, use your brain processes adequately.


Topic is Russia, Putin, troops, denial and Crimea not how my brain functions.

Topic is media spin, and how you fell for it.
I just pointed that out.




posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 06:55 AM
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Well I already knew in the first place that they were no militants...
They seem too well organized.
I bet some "Pro-Russian militants" are also actual russian soldiers.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:03 AM
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So, now what? What difference does it make now?

Yep.

Putin realizes that, and is sticking it right into the faces of the Western leaders.... as in the middle finger salute.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:04 AM
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reply to post by zilebeliveunknown
 


This was posted so members of various opinions could discuss the topic freely not for some sort of half assed psychological evaluation of what you think someone may or may not have fallen for.
edit on 17-4-2014 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:11 AM
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NATO did the same in Libya. In Iraq.

They're all evil. It's all a charade.....but this we already know. Nothing should surprise us anymore.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:17 AM
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The cool thing about ATS is you get instant access to news around the world from every viewpoint imaginable. Sadly however, ever single OP is always one sided. I suppose its the nature of the beast and one would think since we scorn the MSM daily we wouldn't report like them. Why do all OP's have to be one sided? They always seem to take one position over another and never a balance of material. It has become (if not always) as bad as any news site.

Than you have people who believe and understand that is more of a mushy gray line yet find themselves playing devils advocate to the other side to attempt to balance the conversation painting the other person a sympathizer of the other side. It's ridiculous and serves no one but those who use these events to manipulate the world to there ends.

Russia is doing this!

NATO is doing that!

Doesn't anyone care what the Ukrainians think about all this? Why is anyone on ATS taking the side of any government? We are falling for there trap of dividing the masses and sleight of hand. Whilst we bicker about little green men and spooky's running around, Ukraine is being stolen right from under the Ukrainians by BOTH SIDES apparently carving it up through ethnic lines. And here we sit and argue about which side has more "right" to the claim because of "our" ideals. Like rabid dogs fighting over a scrap of meat.....this truly sickens me. Civilized......HA!

To Ukraine, I hardly knew yee.....



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:23 AM
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FlyersFan
Putin has pulled off a massive land grab. He got away with an invasion. The UN is jumping up and down pointing saying 'bad bad bad' ... but they have no teeth. And at the same time Putin is invading the Ukraine, Obama is on TV saying we have to downsize our military. It's surreal.



But it isn't surreal, it makes perfect sense. Putin, the UN, Obama, they're all in this together. All of these 'sanctions' and 'vocal condemnations' are all PUBLICITY STUNTS TO FOOL US AGAINST ONE ANOTHER.

Divided and conquered.

Wake. Up.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:25 AM
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I think this will go down as the quickest war in history.

We're not talking about running a few drones and bombing someone's wedding from a trailer in Nevada.

This is the major league here and our current crop of political leaders (in EU and America) aren't up to the task.

Putin won.

Love it, hate it, it doesn't matter.

My guess is, China will be next. Right around election time. Our politicians will be too afraid to make any move or policy that might affect their chances at being elected (cowards).



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:27 AM
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Davian

FlyersFan
Putin has pulled off a massive land grab. He got away with an invasion. The UN is jumping up and down pointing saying 'bad bad bad' ... but they have no teeth. And at the same time Putin is invading the Ukraine, Obama is on TV saying we have to downsize our military. It's surreal.



Divided and conquered.

Wake. Up.


The people fall for it every single time. As drool hangs from the gaping mouth of the ever watchful talking head, sipping an oversized slurpy....



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:28 AM
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SLAYER69
reply to post by zilebeliveunknown
 


This was posted so members of various opinions can discuss the topic freely not for some sort of half assed psychological evaluation of what you think someone may or may not have fallen for.


edit on 17-4-2014 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

That's exactly what I did.
I laid my opinion that you fell for media spin, OR, you deliberately posted this thread to fool people who aren't educated enough on the matter so they can draw conclusion in favor on one side only.

But in the end it's quite simple.
There were Russian troops legally stationed in Crimea before this mess even started. And that fact alone could explain how this article doesn't hold water.

ETA: Media spins are psychological games.
edit on 17-4-2014 by zilebeliveunknown because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:28 AM
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It is obvious by US tepid response that US does not view Russian actions in Crimea as very serious issue. What would be an issue though is if Vladimir goes and invades the rest or more of the Ukrain. The actions you see going on now are to prevent that and not designed to change what happened in Crimea. Fact is most in Crimea wanted to return to Russia and Russia had a right to defend it's bases and other interest there. Russia is doing nothing more than engaging as world police just like USA does when it's interests are threatened. The difference between Russian actions and US actions 8 Russia did not spend 6 months pretending to get world approval at the UN while things spray out of control like the US does. They took decisive actions that probably actually saved lives by getting in front of a civil war in Crimea. US administration recognized this but would never admit it.

As long as Put in does not go further US won't do anything more than a tiny slap on Russian hand.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:31 AM
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beezzer
reply to post by SLAYER69
 


I think this will go down as the quickest war in history.

We're not talking about running a few drones and bombing someone's wedding from a trailer in Nevada.

This is the major league here and our current crop of political leaders (in EU and America) aren't up to the task.

Putin won.

Love it, hate it, it doesn't matter.

My guess is, China will be next. Right around election time. Our politicians will be too afraid to make any move or policy that might affect their chances at being elected (cowards).


That is the most realistic doom-porn prediction I've seen on this forum.
May God help us all...



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:35 AM
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zilebeliveunknown
OR, you deliberately posted this thread to fool people who aren't educated enough on the matter so they can draw conclusion in favor on one side only.


Actually....

It was just posted online and I thought it would be an interesting topic to bring to the table to discuss. You're free to post your opinion and thoughts, I'm sorry you feel so defensive to the point that anybody perceived as being even remotely not in lock step with your views as someone who has been brain washed etc.

It really is quite telling


But in the end it's quite simple.


Agreed



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:41 AM
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Admitting what everyone already knows is no virtue.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:42 AM
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zilebeliveunknown
But in the end it's quite simple.
There were Russian troops legally stationed in Crimea before this mess even started. And that fact alone could explain how this article doesn't hold water.

ETA: Media spins are psychological games.

You have missed the point entirely, so I will help you to comprehend what is at issue.

Putin was asked during the annexation of Crimea who the men in green uniforms were, and he was asked a similar question today. "Self-defence groups" was his answer in the first instance, "Russian servicemen" in the second.

From RT:

The armed men in military uniform without insignia, dubbed “the little green men” or “the polite people,” who were present in Crimea before and during the referendum there, were Russian troops, Vladimir Putin acknowledged speaking at a Q&A session with on Thursday.

He didn't simply say that Russian troops were in Crimea at the time, which is of course common knowledge. The point is that he identified the ambiguous green uniformed men as Russian soldiers, when he had previously said that they were local grassroots militias.

This is notable not only because of the inconsistency of Putin's responses to the same question, but because identical men in green uniforms are currently running around E-Ukraine seizing buildings and generally being naughty, and Putin is again saying that these are local militias. One might even infer that Putin is admitting to the presence of Russian soldiers in Ukraine in a roundabout way, since admissions of this gravity are rarely spontaneous.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:46 AM
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Please let me ask you a question:

Before you decided to post this thread, did you or did you not know that there were Russian troops legally stationed in Crimea (then Ukrainian territory) before tensions even started?



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:46 AM
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posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:47 AM
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How many countries would Putin need to 'rescue' before the current Western attitude would change?
Doing nothing will embolden him.
I know people are tired of hearing it, but this could be history repeating itself, as in Europe in the 1930's. I say could be because it doesn't have to repeat itself.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:50 AM
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This Putin guy puts my non-interventionist principles into doubt.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:51 AM
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Well economically wise we are at that point, so next up global conflict( not saying WW3 ) Lines are drawn, Allies are picked and out the shadows comes old enemy's.



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