Bundy Ranch Conspiracy Debunked

Mamatus

ScientiaFortisDefendit
Regardless of what the socialist mouthpiece Cenk Uygur says, the ownership of the land is a red herring. The issue that people have is with the massive armed response by the federal government to COWS MUNCHING GRASS.

By the way, CU debunked nothing.

edit on 16-4-2014 by ScientiaFortisDefendit because: (no reason given)

How many Bundy fans are going to take the time to help out any number of over-reactions by Law Enforcement? Do you see the Oathkeepers running off to fight the Albuquerque PD? Or how about running off to stand up for the citizens rights after the Boston bombing?

Defending the Bundys in this case is fighting the wrong fight.

So when are you going to give your house and land back to the American Indians?

edit on 16-4-2014 by Mamatus because: added content.

when the American Indians come to my house with 200 armed men and snipers.....I guess

reply to post by Mamatus


Have you even bothered to look into how Harry Reid
came to own his land in Nevada?

If one investigates they will find Harry Reid's 200 acres
in Searchlight are all old BLM mining patent deeds from 1872
inherited from his family. His home is surrounded by abandoned
mines that he somehow still "owns".

The question is why does he have ancestral claim to this land while
the Bundys do not to their grazing rights? Reid has managed to keep them
by his BLM cronyism and ( mob connections? ) since he no longer mines anything?



www.futurnamics.com...

reply to post by UxoriousMagnus


Nice speech just a couple of little things wrong though.

so then the two rich guys start trying to take you to their other friends (BLM and Courts) for judgment because you won't sell and are in their way.

Bundy doesn't own the land. They cannot force you to sell what you do not own. Also he did stop paying grazing fees that is fact.

buster2010

ScientiaFortisDefendit
Regardless of what the socialist mouthpiece Cenk Uygur says, the ownership of the land is a red herring. The issue that people have is with the massive armed response by the federal government to COWS MUNCHING GRASS.

By the way, CU debunked nothing.

edit on 16-4-2014 by ScientiaFortisDefendit because: (no reason given)

This may come as a shock to you but if you keep trespassing on Federal land even after losing in court and you keep trespassing they will eventually do something about it.

I guess you refuse to go read the section of the USC that I gave you before?!

The Federal Government can not legally own land other than for military forts, compounds and buildings for the establishment of organizations that they need (Courts, Congress, USPS, etc)

they can't just own millions of acres because they want to....it is strictly forbidden from doing so.....and there is really good reasoning behind why that is.....

buster2010
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

 

Nice speech just a couple of little things wrong though.

so then the two rich guys start trying to take you to their other friends (BLM and Courts) for judgment because you won't sell and are in their way.

Bundy doesn't own the land. They cannot force you to sell what you do not own. Also he did stop paying grazing fees that is fact.

he owns grazing rights and water rights

he stopped paying the grazing funds once the Federal GOvernment took control of the land.....because it is illegal!! ...for them to own it or demand grazing money from him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by buster2010


So a person decides to not pay taxes give the government the right to bum rush you with military tactics, terrorizing you and your family.
Waiving guns around treating american citizens like Jihadist?

Sremmos80

buster2010

Granite
reply to post by Mamatus

 

Facts:
1. In 1870's, Bundy homestead on open high desert with Virgin river frontage.
2. In 1910, state of Nevada formed...Bundy deed their land to the state in return for services (Sheriff protection from "wild west" types). He pays taxes, grazing fees to Nevada.

Don't be re-writing history...especially American history.

You left out a few facts.
3. In the 1990's Bundy stopped paying grazing fees and lied about how many cows he had on the land so the BLM ordered him off the land.
4. In 2012 Bundy contacted the local Sherriff saying that the BLM was stealing his cattle he was then informed it is Federal land the can do what they want with it.
5. Bundy's arguments has already been rejected by two appeals courts.

If you want to start stating fact don't pick and choose from all facts.

Seems like 3,4,5 come from the poisonous fruit of 2...
At the end of the day, his family owned the land until it was bought out from under him
So why would he need to pay to graze on his land that was stolen from him?

It wasn't bought out from under him his family gave it away.

reply to post by Mamatus


This is what's wrong with America now, don't you see. People stopped believing they have a voice in their own country. The stopped believing they could make a difference in how their government steamrolls them with ever changing rules, that stack the deck in the governments favor.

People found, in one last stand cattle rancher, a cause to rally behind. Bundy represents all the frustration and anger so many people have had building up inside of them for years.

Every cause, has had a hero. Bundy happens, for whatever reasons, to have had that mantle placed on him. He accepted it willingly.

Des

reply to post by Mamatus


I was mentioning early that I think this has nothing to do with bundy and more that people are angry and just want a location to meet to vent...

UxoriousMagnus

buster2010
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

 

Nice speech just a couple of little things wrong though.

so then the two rich guys start trying to take you to their other friends (BLM and Courts) for judgment because you won't sell and are in their way.

Bundy doesn't own the land. They cannot force you to sell what you do not own. Also he did stop paying grazing fees that is fact.

he owns grazing rights and water rights

No he does not have grazing and water rights his family gave those to the state. If he did legally have these rights then it wouldn't have been thrown out of court.

reply to post by UxoriousMagnus


I agree with Des!

Skorpy
reply to post by buster2010

 

So a person decides to not pay taxes give the government the right to bum rush you with military tactics, terrorizing you and your family.
Waiving guns around treating american citizens like Jihadist?

Grazing fees are not taxes. All he had to do was let his cattle graze on land that he actually owns then he wouldn't have to pay them. But he expects to graze for free on public land and this won't happen other ranchers have to pay the fees so why should he not have to.

buster2010

Sremmos80

buster2010

Granite
reply to post by Mamatus

 

Facts:
1. In 1870's, Bundy homestead on open high desert with Virgin river frontage.
2. In 1910, state of Nevada formed...Bundy deed their land to the state in return for services (Sheriff protection from "wild west" types). He pays taxes, grazing fees to Nevada.

Don't be re-writing history...especially American history.

You left out a few facts.
3. In the 1990's Bundy stopped paying grazing fees and lied about how many cows he had on the land so the BLM ordered him off the land.
4. In 2012 Bundy contacted the local Sherriff saying that the BLM was stealing his cattle he was then informed it is Federal land the can do what they want with it.
5. Bundy's arguments has already been rejected by two appeals courts.

If you want to start stating fact don't pick and choose from all facts.

Seems like 3,4,5 come from the poisonous fruit of 2...
At the end of the day, his family owned the land until it was bought out from under him
So why would he need to pay to graze on his land that was stolen from him?

It wasn't bought out from under him his family gave it away.

Yup they ceded it to the State of Nevada in return for" law and order", the grazing rights and water rights....

UxoriousMagnus

buster2010
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

 

Nice speech just a couple of little things wrong though.

so then the two rich guys start trying to take you to their other friends (BLM and Courts) for judgment because you won't sell and are in their way.

Bundy doesn't own the land. They cannot force you to sell what you do not own. Also he did stop paying grazing fees that is fact.

he owns grazing rights and water rights

he stopped paying the grazing funds once the Federal GOvernment took control of the land.....because it is illegal!! ...for them to own it or demand grazing money from him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

edit on 16-4-2014 by UxoriousMagnus because: (no reason given)

edit on 16-4-2014 by UxoriousMagnus because: (no reason given)

That is apparently too hard for some to grasp.

buster2010

Skorpy
reply to post by buster2010

 

So a person decides to not pay taxes give the government the right to bum rush you with military tactics, terrorizing you and your family.
Waiving guns around treating american citizens like Jihadist?

Grazing fees are not taxes. All he had to do was let his cattle graze on land that he actually owns then he wouldn't have to pay them. But he expects to graze for free on public land and this won't happen other ranchers have to pay the fees so why should he not have to.

other ranchers should not have to pay either....unless it is state land....

buster2010

Skorpy
reply to post by buster2010

 

So a person decides to not pay taxes give the government the right to bum rush you with military tactics, terrorizing you and your family.
Waiving guns around treating american citizens like Jihadist?

Grazing fees are not taxes. All he had to do was let his cattle graze on land that he actually owns then he wouldn't have to pay them. But he expects to graze for free on public land and this won't happen other ranchers have to pay the fees so why should he not have to.

Buster...there are NO other ranchers....they've all been strong armed out of business. Bundy was the last man standing.

Des

cosmicexplorer
reply to post by Mamatus

 

I was mentioning early that I think this has nothing to do with bundy and more that people are angry and just want a location to meet to vent...

I agree it has little to do with Bundy (at least for me), but don't kid yourself. Had the feds started something, I have no doubt people there might have done more than just "vent."

Destinyone

buster2010

Skorpy
reply to post by buster2010

 

So a person decides to not pay taxes give the government the right to bum rush you with military tactics, terrorizing you and your family.
Waiving guns around treating american citizens like Jihadist?

Grazing fees are not taxes. All he had to do was let his cattle graze on land that he actually owns then he wouldn't have to pay them. But he expects to graze for free on public land and this won't happen other ranchers have to pay the fees so why should he not have to.

Buster...there are NO other ranchers....they've all strong armed out of business. Bundy was the last man standing.

Des

edit on 16-4-2014 by Destinyone because: (no reason given)

That is apparently too hard for some to grasp too. *sigh*

stirling

buster2010

Sremmos80

buster2010

Granite
reply to post by Mamatus

 

Facts:
1. In 1870's, Bundy homestead on open high desert with Virgin river frontage.
2. In 1910, state of Nevada formed...Bundy deed their land to the state in return for services (Sheriff protection from "wild west" types). He pays taxes, grazing fees to Nevada.

Don't be re-writing history...especially American history.

You left out a few facts.
3. In the 1990's Bundy stopped paying grazing fees and lied about how many cows he had on the land so the BLM ordered him off the land.
4. In 2012 Bundy contacted the local Sherriff saying that the BLM was stealing his cattle he was then informed it is Federal land the can do what they want with it.
5. Bundy's arguments has already been rejected by two appeals courts.

If you want to start stating fact don't pick and choose from all facts.

Seems like 3,4,5 come from the poisonous fruit of 2...
At the end of the day, his family owned the land until it was bought out from under him
So why would he need to pay to graze on his land that was stolen from him?

It wasn't bought out from under him his family gave it away.

Yup they ceded it to the State of Nevada in return for" law and order", the grazing rights and water rights....

And when they handed the land to the Feds that agreement became null and void.

buster2010

UxoriousMagnus

buster2010
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

 

Nice speech just a couple of little things wrong though.

so then the two rich guys start trying to take you to their other friends (BLM and Courts) for judgment because you won't sell and are in their way.

Bundy doesn't own the land. They cannot force you to sell what you do not own. Also he did stop paying grazing fees that is fact.

he owns grazing rights and water rights

No he does not have grazing and water rights his family gave those to the state. If he did legally have these rights then it wouldn't have been thrown out of court.

I don't know why you worship and love the federal government so much.....and why you hate strong patriotic ranchers that work harder in a day than you do in a year.....

this guy is everything that is great about America and the federal government is everything that is evil about America....