"No man can see Me and live" - Angels as representatives of the unseen God.

AfterInfinity ... Yeah. He foresaw it and let it play out.

God isn't our baby sitter. And this life plays out according to human free will and natural laws. As for the Nazis, blame free will.

originally posted by: Shiloh7
reply to post by sk0rpi0n

 

Scorpion, why do you say that everything is our own fault? Don;t you think that with a God to whom moral behaviour is so important for man, that he would be making an appearance and keeping us on track instead of simply disappearing and leaving us to get on with it.

Like I said earlier, God isn't mankinds baby sitter. We can ''get on with it'' and ''get on track''. If we have the ingenuity to send probes into space, we should be able to end wars, poverty and hunger.

If man is to regard himself as 'Gods people' then surely God should be physically in the frame with us. Its simply as though there is no point in giving people enough rope to hang themselves with, because we all know they will - if we know it, then surely God knows it even before he handed out the rope? So what is the point of the whole exercise - there is none?

But God is not a physical being. God is within our frame in a spiritual sense. Our knowledge of our laws cause us to behave lawfully without the physical presence of law enforcement. So apply the same to the knowledge of God.

a reply to: sk0rpi0n

The Universal Father is not invisible because he is hiding himself away from the lowly creatures of materialistic handicaps and limited spiritual endowments. The situation rather is: “You cannot see my face, for no mortal can see me and live.” No material man could behold the spirit God and preserve his mortal existence. The glory and the spiritual brilliance of the divine personality presence is impossible of approach by the lower groups of spirit beings or by any order of material personalities. The spiritual luminosity of the Father’s personal presence is a “light which no mortal man can approach; which no material creature has seen or can see.” But it is not necessary to see God with the eyes of the flesh in order to discern him by the faith-vision of the spiritualized mind.

a reply to: sk0rpi0n

The law was given by intermediaries.

a reply to: zardust

The law was given by intermediaries.

According to the New Testament.
Which sounds nicer than saying either that it was a complete fabrication, or on the other extreme, that there was something wrong with God.

a reply to: jmdewey60

Or if the angels are a type also of our mind (woven with cherubim). The reason the law is so dichotomous is that the filter of our mind is also dichotomous, and until the veil is taken away we cannot see the glorious light in its full radiance. Its kind of like a prism, that splits the light into the rainbow (7 colors, 7 days of creation… of the New Man, 7th feast is tabernacles/word becomes flesh/two shall become one).


Men are called angels very often in the bible, as angel means messenger. In this instance of the law given through mediators we are speaking of Moses I believe. Notice Moses had to put on a veil when he came down from the mountain, he puts the veil over his face to cover the glory. The glory is the word for horns in hebrew. The horns of an ox, an ox is the head of the cherubim according to ezekiel (one time its called ox, the other cherub).

2 cor 3
12Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, 13and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. 14But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

I used red for moses the ministration of death/adam/red/blood vs. the ministration of Life/Christ/Green/Tree of lIfe

'member the mountains? Moses died in the wilderness (did not enter in to promised land/paradise through the veil of cherubim) on the mountain of the scribe/mediator god Nebo. Jesus was transfigured on the mountain of the mediator god Hermes. The word that Paul uses above for being transformed into the image. Is the word used for transfigured.

Moses is a symbol of the realm of death, the greatest man among them, like John the Baptist who was beheaded (lost his carnal mind) the last prophet of the Old. The old man, John lived in the wilderness, and was covered in skins/ dead animals/sacrifices, just as the tabernacle in the wilderness had an outer fur covering. Jesus on the other hand, the HEAD of the body/tabernacle/new man, wore a garment that was seamless.

Gotta run



Got back in time to finish my thoughts

Heb 12
18For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and to a blazing fire, and to darkness and gloom and whirlwind, 19and to the blast of a trumpet and the sound of words which sound was such that those who heard begged that no further word be spoken to them. 20For they could not bear the command, “IF EVEN A BEAST TOUCHES THE MOUNTAIN, IT WILL BE STONED.” 21And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, “I AM FULL OF FEAR and trembling.” 22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

Just before this passage, it speaks of Esau(the hairy/red one/who lived in the wilderness) Esau=Edom, Edom is the exact word Adam. The man of dust (1 corinthians 15).

Sinai/Nebo are in the wilderness. Zion/Hermon are in the promised land, and Hermon is paradise, it is the mountain of the gods, as you know its also called zion. Check out this cognate of zion the place
Tsiuwn H6725
1) signpost, monument, market

Signs, symbols, types, examples, images,

Make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain